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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!

Starting this separate thread to track the Liza Minnelli autopen situation.

Signed copies of her new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, include autopen signatures.

You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...

Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.

Overlay Video 1 (click title to play video)

Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)

Overlay Video 2

-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly

-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well

-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.

Overlay Video 3

Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one

-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well

Overlay Video 4

Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.

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Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person

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Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift

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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.

Example:

First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:

Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:

Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:

Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):

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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:

https://youtu.be/pROf6q-9POU

A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...

Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES 35 minutes ago

Jason H +1

Steve Cyrkin, Admin

Matt M. has absolutely poured himself into this

And Matt M. is after all the inventer of the now patented MMODD c2026

aka "Matt's Magical Overlay Dectecting Device"

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Permalink Reply by Matt M. 14 minutes ago

Thank you Jason and JJ, you guys have both been a lot of help to me behind the scenes and I can’t thank you enough.

I just want to take a moment to acknowledge the level of response this topic has gotten. It’s pretty clear that people are interested in whether the signatures are real or not.

I shared what I noticed when I started comparing some of the signatures on my own, with my own copy and with a few that had landed on eBay. That was actually a week ago tonight, when my copy arrived.

I researched the subject and waited for the topic to be brought up here by others. I decided to share what I had found.

If others see the same concerns, or if they don’t, that’s completely fine. Hopefully we can all keep looking at the evidence together and work toward a better understanding of what we’re seeing.

Also, I want to acknowledge that the overlays I’ve been posting are just a basic visual tool I’ve been using to compare shapes and spacing. They’re not meant to be precise measurements or a definitive method of authentication…..just a way to highlight patterns that caught my attention.

I don’t think that’s unreasonable, and I understand people may have differing perspectives or ways of explaining what we’re seeing.

Ultimately, the best way to evaluate this will probably be with high-resolution images and, ideally, the opinion of a professional authenticator who can examine the signatures carefully (or even in person if that’s possible). I’m certainly open to that, and I’m interested to see what comes out of it.

MMODD lol - thanks JJ.

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES 3 hours ago

OK "KIDS",

LET'S PLAY THE LIZA MINNELLI BOOK VERSION "LET'S MAKE A DEAL"

CHOOSE AN OPINION DOOR:

DOOR #1, Stroke victim Liza at 80 years old and largely confined to her wheelchair, still managed to sign

thousands of beautiful plum perfect autographs for her fans. Pay no attention to some exact

matching overlaying parts and spacing between different exemplars.

(This echoes what was said in her mom's the Wizard of Oz,

"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!")

DOOR #2. Liza and her team has big brass balls, and were devil may care stupid enough,

to emboss the cover of her book with an actual template sample. They were also

careless enough to use a 1990's Liza autograph sample to build the multiple varying

template puzzle pieces, to cut, paste and finally feed into the Advanced Autopen machine.

(I mean she used AI on her last music single, and it's already concurred that Liza "read" her audiobook

using an AI generated voice drawn from her 1980s and 1990s speaking voice).

DOOR #3. VeriMarx seems to like all of these Liza "autographs" and we now should all just trust in AI,

(because Machines evaluating other Machines is okay and not dangerous to the Hobby

or Authentication process. I mean what could go wrong?) "Open the Podbay door Hal"

I'll take Door #2 for the win!

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES 3 hours ago

WOW! I just searched "Liza signed Kids Wait Til You Hear This" book on Google and all this came up:

"Based on discussions among collectors and fans, there are strong suspicions and reported observations that autopen machines may have been used for some signed copies of Liza Minnelli's 2026 memoir,

Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!, rather than hand-signatures.

Key Details Regarding the Suspicion:

Identical Signatures: Collectors have noted that multiple signed books appear to have identical signatures, a hallmark of autopen use.
Signature Characteristics: Observers mentioned seeing signature patterns that suggest machine-produced, consistent pressure rather than natural human movement.
Physical Considerations: Given her age and physical frailties—she has reportedly been in a wheelchair and dealing with health issues—many fans expressed skepticism that she could personally sign the large volume of books sold, with some suggesting a "hidden" team or machine was used.
Conflicting Reports: While some fans are suspicious, others have claimed they have seen video evidence of her signing in person.

Contextual Information:

The Memoir: Kids, Wait Till You Hear This! was released in March 2026 by Grand Central Publishing.
AI Usage: It has been confirmed that AI was used for the narration of the audiobook version of this memoir.
Other Potential Frauds: Some collectors have mentioned that "tipped-in" signed pages (pages signed separately and then bound into the book) often make it easier for publishers to use autopens instead of having the author sign."

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Permalink Reply by Jason H 2 hours ago

They may have picked up replies I've been posting to specific individuals comments related to Liza. I've been making the rounds on previous posts. Waiting for them to be deleted but I have gotten some responses. People are seeing my links specifically to this discussion. I'll keep it up when I have time.

(PS, talkshoplive, you're next if I don't get my refund for Hillary Duff)

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Permalink Reply by Knob Dylan 2 hours ago

JJ, Wait Till You See This! I decided to take a picture of myself after staring at these Liza Autopens for the past 7 days straight. The good news is, I've decreased my biological age by over 35 years. The bad news is, I'm pretty tuckered out and could really use a cup of pudding and a nap...

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES 2 hours ago

Knob Dylan LMAO !!! me too

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Permalink Reply by Matt M. 2 hours ago

Lol, I hear you on that. Thanks to both of you for your help on this.

****I encourage everyone to send their examples to Steve as he requested on the prior page:

-High-resolution images (3,000+ pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and face separately, as close as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format.

You can visit his profile by clicking his profile picture, then select Send A Message.

Greatly appreciate your help, Steve.