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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!

Starting this separate thread to track the Liza Minnelli autopen situation.

Signed copies of her new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, include autopen signatures.

You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...

Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.

Overlay Video 1 (click title to play video)

Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)

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-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly

-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well

-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.

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Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one

-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well

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Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.

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Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person

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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.

Example:

First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:

Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:

Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:

Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):

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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:

https://youtu.be/pROf6q-9POU

A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...

Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You

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Permalink Reply by michelle 5 hours ago

This is also a story of extreme greed and stupidity by Liza and management. Had less been 'signed' it would have been harder to work out they were autopens

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Permalink Reply by Matt M. 5 hours ago

Thanks for sharing that full post. I had found that picture when I was first reading on another forum about potential use of AI voice technology in her audiobook. Someone posted that picture but not her full post. They were saying that the picture appeared staged to suggest she actually did record the audiobook. When I noticed that she was also signing in the picture, I thought, we’ve seen this before in the context of staged signing pictures. I was wondering what the Description in her post said and if it made any note of what was going on in the photo. Interesting….

The forum discussion I reference above is linked below if interested. I have to give these folks credit- they were on it early on that something was not right with the whole situation.

https://forum.broadwayworld.com/thread/Liza-book-promotion-chat-/5

Also should give credit to whoever put that Facebook photo group together and thank you to Jimmy James for sharing that here. Someone was doing their homework there as some of those examples match up well with each other, along with ones posted here.

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES 2 hours ago

Checking in Matt M. , thank you for the Broadwayworld forum link.

Yep, they smelled something to be off too.

The consensus is that Liza used AI to "read" her audiobook version.

Though she denies it.

More and more forums and fans are concurring that the "autographs" are autopens.

I thought this guy TheatreFan4 nailed the current state of affairs with all things Liza and

what michelle and all of us are feeling right now: (click on the image and it should read properly)

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Permalink Reply by Jason H 2 hours ago

If anyone out there has placed an order for this with JSA authentication and you are still waiting for your package, could you let us know here? Premiere states to add 1 to 2 weeks if JSA is ordered so I believe orders for this may still be processing. Please let us know the status of your order if you can. Also let us know if premiere decides to cancel your order entirely