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I'm noticing a sudden influx of MJ signed Michael Jackson drawings coming on to the auction market, which seem to share the common themes of either 'portraits of historical figures' or 'Disney characters'.
Both of these themes are of course recognised from Michaels' drawings both at a young age and later in life, but it is interesting that so many new drawings are being released on to the market at the same time.
Here are some current examples:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/32578267_collection-of-art-by-m...
Tags: Michael, disney, forgery, jackson, parr, portraits
Check this out guys... You can see the moment when the picture was taken at 0:09...
Click on the link below... It's a 11 second video, I edited it to be shorter... And the video is a REAL VIDEO, it was not altered... It is not a forgery...
Again thank you anonymous user in helping to clear this up with sound facts. Scott
Mike, I will make a SERIOUS offer to you right now. If you can prove to me BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that that somehow I was able to buy a cheap knockoff of your PAAS sticker and put it on the lower left part of the album, that I created that COA and somehow forged that signature of yours, and/or I bought the album with your COA already and that I did not send it in myself for authentication, I will personally pay you $5000!
Please, enough of your accusations on me. You can't prove anything you are saying and you and only you are ruining your own reputation with your half-truths and lies. And honestly I don't want your refund. The biggest loss is you lost a loyal customer, a customer that praised you for years, a customer that recommended you to others. Your biggest mistake is how you treat your loyal customers. That in itself will be the unfortunate downfall of your reputation. As for me, I am just a collector, nothing less, nothing more.
I ask you once again did you consign any art to Memorabilia Vault? A simple no will do.
From: VXXXXX @hotmail.com
To: whoodee711@aol.com
Sent: 6/26/2011 10:41:33 A.M. Eastern Standard TimeMike,
Here is an example of a seller, creating forged paper certificates using the PAAS logo and your signature:
http://cgi.ebay.it/MICHAEL-JACKSON-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH-COA-/2905812076...
I know there are more. I will look later for them.Prashant
From: Whoodee711@aol.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:34:36 -0400
Subject: Re: ebay auction opinion
To: xxxxxxxx@hotmail.comPlease continue to forward these.Ebay is aware of most , we have even located fake certificates for both JSA and P.A.A.SThank youMike FrostP.A.A.S.In a message dated 6/26/2011 11:30:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, xxxxx@hotmail.com writes:Not a problem Mike...I have seen a number of these via sellers from Europe.
From: XXXXXXXXXXXX@hotmail.com
To: whoodee711@aol.com
Sent: 5/3/2012 10:00:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: RE: ThrillerMike,
Thanks for the response.
I am curious to know how come you think this is likely not to be genuine vs. the likely to be genuine?
They look the same to me...please advise.
thanks,
Prashant
From: Whoodee711@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 10:12:33 -0400
Subject: Re: FW: Thriller
To:XXXXXXXXXXXXXX@hotmail.comMichael Jackson Thriller// Via ScanNot likely to be genuine: Our authenticators believe that the item, if physically submitted to P.A.A.S. for examination, would likely not receive our certificate of authenticity.**Please note this based upon a scan. The only way to truly examine and authenticate an autograph is to physically examine the signature, the ink and the item that has been signed.
Thank you for trust in P.A.A.S.For more information on P.A.A.S. Authentication Services please see www.paasautographs.com or call (954) 450-4283..Thank you,Michael FrostP.A.A.S.
Everybody:
Stop ganging up on Mike. First of all, I can attest that he has done stellar work on Michael Jackson autographs recently. He has put tons of hours into authenticating the signed drawings and I feel he has been doing this work thoroughly and professionally. And it's time he's not getting paid for, beyond perhaps the small amount The Memorabilia Vault may have paid him to authenticate them.
Even the best third party authenticators make mistakes...and big ones sometimes. Legit third party authentication companies have only existed since the later 1990s--it's a young field. But mistakes and all, the autograph field is far safer today with them than it was without them. In 5 or 10 years autograph collecting will be even safer, but there will always be bumps in the road.
Prashant, I see you giving your opinion on Michael Jackson autographs all the time on this site, and best I recall, you always say the autograph is genuine. But the vast majority of the ones you said were genuine were obvious forgeries to me and most others who gave their opinions. Based on that, if there weren't legitimate TPAs, you might not have one genuine Michael Jackson in your collection.
You want proof how threatened some are by legitimate authenticators?
Here's an email from 2011 that Mike Frost sent me a couple years ago that says it all:
From: SKoschal@aol.com
To: Whoodee711@aol.com
Sent: 1/14/2011 3:47:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Phone callJust had lengthy conversation with Dave Wakefield. During the conversation he made it a three way call with Chris Morales. Interesting! They want us all to get together for lunch and talk a game plan of putting Epperson/Spence to rest. What they say makes sense and Wakefield is full of good info.
Stephen Koschal
P.O. Box 311061
Miami, FL 33231
www.stephenkoschal.com
Chris Morales is probably the most prolific fraudulent authenticator in the history of autographs. Dave Wakefield is a well-known source of rock forgeries; including the so-called "mega-signed guitars" that had everyone from Elvis to U2 on them, Beatles "signed" guitars, and on and on.
Steve,
What you say about Morales and Wakefield is spot on. Yeah Mike may have sent these to you but looks to me like Mike was in the middle of all this and associated with all these guys. They didn't just randomly send him these emails outlining these plans and conversations. These folks thought they had his confidence to send him these. Looks like he was pals with these guys and just as involved. He may have sent you all these emails well after the fact. What we don't see in any of these are the replies and the involvement he had in all this. I don't see any of the responses he made to all these emails.
With his experience and years in the business he knew full well who all these people were. He chose to associate himself with them. He has ridden both sides of the hobby fence. Does he change sides when he wears out his welcome? He obviously had a falling out with this crowd is the only reason he ever sent those to you. I'm sure you already know that though.
I think Mike is a good authenticator. He is a super knowledgeable guy no question. I think he volunteers his time answering questions and being a part of this board is good. I know nobody is perfect and mistakes are made. I just think when the questions get hard we see one sided emails like these as well as Mike getting very defensive rather than just admitting a mistake. That's what is rubbing some folks the wrong way about all this.
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