Real Williams and Mantle?

Hey everyone, I've received great advice from this site before and am hoping for a couple opinions.
Picked up this Williams ball the other day. Some research I found said Gallen Certs were good/reliable and was curious on what everyone thinks about it.
Also, this Mantle photo has been in my room since I was a kid. Only recently did I take a closer look and see the "chugging" throughout the sig. Any thoughts on the signature itself and/or the COA?

Thanks for taking a look and taking the time to leave your opinion! Greatly appreciated!

Tags: Mantle, Mickey, Ted, Williams

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Permalink Reply by Fuddjcal on September 14, 2017 at 7:44am

Don't like the Mantle but like the Williams...

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Permalink Reply by CLiebl on September 15, 2017 at 9:29pm

Thanks.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 14, 2017 at 10:46am

I agree that the Mantle is machine-signed, but not with a traditional Autopen. The stuttering someone mentioned is from a different device.

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Permalink Reply by CLiebl on September 15, 2017 at 9:35pm

Ever seen anything like this before?

Also, thank you for all that you do with this site. It has provided me, and I'm sure many others, with a tremendous resource and wealth of knowledge about this hobby. I'm very grateful to you and everyone else who has put in all the time and effort to make this site what it is. I feel fortunate to have stumbled across the site about a year ago now. Thank you!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on September 16, 2017 at 3:54am

I run across "unauthorized" autopens on occasion. Anyone can buy an Autopen machine, so I'm surprised we don't see it more often.

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Permalink Reply by CLiebl on September 16, 2017 at 10:11am

This might be a stupid question so I apologize in advance... but what's the difference between an authorized and unauthorized autopen?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on September 16, 2017 at 12:15pm

Authorized is when someone's office sends autopen signed letters with their knowledge. For instance, astronaut Autopens from NASA, presidents from their office, politicians, etc. These are documented and typically limited to know patterns.

Unauthorized is when a forger gets an Autopen machine and produces fakes to deceive collectors without the knowledge or permission of the person who allegedly signed the photo.