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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 20, 2019 at 11:03am

I forgot that, sorry. So perhaps take a few months to see if buying autographs is for you and then decide.

It may not be. There's nothing wrong with that.

Permalink Reply by Ru007 on August 20, 2019 at 11:13am

No apology is needed or  necessary, i honestly am very new to Beatles autographs and it does get frustrating when there are so many different opinions but like you said before if it’s authenticated or not it’s best to follow your own best judgment and put some time in and see if the signature is right for you, 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 20, 2019 at 11:24am

Definitely. There's no rush.

Permalink Reply by Ru007 on August 20, 2019 at 10:14am

you Might be right, Perry and frank may have been mistaken on these ones, I personally don’t know what to believe or who to trust anymore, 

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Permalink Reply by wascher on August 19, 2019 at 4:25am

I'll give you guys an example of something that similarly happened a few yrs ago.

MJ drawings showed up on the market - they had a very believable story with them. When I first saw one or two of them.... the drawing style was completely unlike anything I'd seen MJ do. The signature also had a few things that could just be a glitch that he had that day or not. I brushed them off but kept them in my files. I even had a person on this forum telling me how much he respected the seller, that he knew him well, that the story was 100% true. Roger E was sent some to authenticate, and he like me, noticed a glitch but didn't think much of it and "blessed it" :) And then Roger received more of them.

Fast forward suddenly the market flooded (Roger only passed those first lots), and Lizzie and I started sounding the alarm. We did signature studies much like this to show the authenticators (and the forum) - that each item had the signature glitch - never seen before on real MJ's. Long story short, the forgers story fell apart, he lives in Canada, and he had to see a shrink by the time we finished outing who he was because it scared him (I still believe he's forging though).

But....not once did Roger and I have a heated dispute (even if at first he didn't agree). Not once did I disrespect him on this forum for his opinion but he did change it. Roger and I now speak a few times a year on items... sometimes just to run an item by me to see if I suspect anything (as I constantly scan the market), or I send him new info on forgers out there and I try to show their glitches and share their names/info with him.

It's not about the authenticators being "bad" or not trusting them ever again, nor is it about tarnishing them. The forgers get better every day, and the authenticators learn along with all of us in the community.

I am not saying these Ringo's are "bad" either .... as I don't study Ringo, but I do think when someone like Ballroom sounds the alarms, people should pay attention.

(sorry I edited this twice, it kept showing up with teeny fonts)

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Permalink Reply by Jim Cushman on August 19, 2019 at 4:55am

Perfect Daniel!!!. For me...(in no particular order)...It's Frank...Perry....and TRACKS in England. Those are the big 3 in my opinion...

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on August 19, 2019 at 9:33am

"...I have Perry and Frank letters that prove behind any doubt that it's authentic...."

NO letter from anyone proves authenticity - I believe Perry just finished saying that...

"...holy..."? :(  

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on August 19, 2019 at 10:09am

But you were just trying to sell it Thursday, after this thread started.

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Alayof on August 19, 2019 at 11:32am

What do you want from me? Do I owe you something? Do I need to get permission from you for the things I do? If I want, I will sell, and if I don't want to, I won't sell.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on August 19, 2019 at 11:47am

No, you don't owe me anything. I was just surprised by your 180 and sudden certainty.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on August 19, 2019 at 11:08am

I also have a great deal of a respect for Frank, who is indeed one of the best. If you told me prior to this that I would be disagreeing with him on multiple related signatures, I wouldn’t have believed it. I would have preferred a discussion strictly about the signatures, but obviously that wasn’t going to happen. Despite that, it’s difficult to say nothing when several months worth of research is telling you that there’s a big problem, and the items are ending up in the hands of fellow autograph collectors. I really struggled with how to go about discussing this issue, but here we are.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on August 19, 2019 at 11:19am

Ballroom, no issues with the way you handled this

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