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Bob Dylan AUTOPEN Info To Help With Returns / Refunds - Simon & Schuster, Premiere, and Coles
***URGENT UPDATE
Previous update
Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
https://www.castlefineart.com/art/bob-dylan/cactus
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Karp
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ORIGINAL POST
I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1290-cjbk/news/collectors-quest...
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/indigo-bob-dylan-po...
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
15th variation
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
17th variation
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Video of set 1 Dylan1.mp4 - Photo of set 1 Dylan1.JPG
Video of set 2 Dylan2.mp4 - Photo of set 2 Dylan2.JPG
Video of set 3 Dylan3.mp4 - Photo of set 3 Dylan3.JPG
Video of set 4 Dylan4.mp4 - Photo of set 4 Dylan4.JPG
Video of set 5 Dylan5.mp4 - Photo of set 5 Dylan5.JPG
Video of set 6 Dylan6.mp4 - Photo of set 6 Dylan6.JPG
Video of set 7 Dylan7.mp4 - Photo of set 7 Dylan7.JPG
Video of set 9 Dylan9.mp4 - Photo of set 9 Dylan9.JPG
Video of set 10 Dylan10.mp4 - Photo of set 10 Dylan10.JPG
Video of set 11 Dylan11.mp4 - Photo of set 11 Dylan11.JPG
Video of set 12 Dylan12.mp4 - Photo of set 12 Dylan12.JPG
Video of set 14 Dylan14.mp4 - Photo of set 14 Dylan14.JPG
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Important emails:
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
duane@premierespeakers.com - Others have tried duane@premierecollectables.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
suzanne.baboneau@simonandschuster.co.uk
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
ian.chapman@simonandschuster.co.uk
Bob Dylan's Manager
Jeff Kramer
OK Management
275 South Beverly Drive
Suite 215
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Phone: 310-535-1647
Bob Dylan's Agent
Brian Greenbaum
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
Phone: 424-288-2000
Bob Dylan's Production Agent
Sony/Columbia/CBS Records
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Phone: 212-833-7305
Bob Dylan's Law Firm
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Phone: 310-312-4000
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Tweet or privatly message Bob on his verified Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/bobdylan/
Bob Dylan's Facebook
Post or message Bob on his verified Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/bobdylan/
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
BOBDYLAN@EPICRIGHTS.COM
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
Dolly Parton Autopen Example.jpg
http://www.feelnumb.com/2022/03/09/dolly-parton-fake-autograph-song...
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/dolly-parton-signed...
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Permalink Reply by mcnish on
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Their Facebook and Twitter both have posts apologizing and saying that everyone will be refunded. So you hopefully shouldn't need to do anything else.
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Permalink Reply by Jason H on
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Yep, thats my thinking now, there's no backing out at this point.. however, Nick is still right in his thinking.. why let up? This is your chance to say whatever you want, no holding back.. speak your mind as harsh as possible and get an apology in return.. doesn't really do anything for me, but some people love that stuff.. you should always speak your mind.. you can use a different email account from one you placed your order with if you are scared of potential funny business.
Nick is really telling you to act instead of waiting. Its something we should all be doing immediately with any item when we know there is an issue. It may be why autopen usage got this far to begin with. So many of us sat back while only a few complained. Publishers have never seen this type of outrage before and, thinking about it, thats pretty sad. Going forward, we all need to take action and not let someone else do it for us. We are a proven force when we act together. It showed tremendously over this weekend and im extremely proud of us as a community.
Thank you Nick.. for the reminder to never let our guard down and that a few emails sent on all of our behalf has no impact.. emails from all of us, we can make a difference.
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No Problem Jason, I've been busy working and not read any of the messages on here today, only this one, I emailed Jonathan Karp and all the other CEO's about fifteen times in total and hounded Jonathan to death last night with 100+ messages on his Youtube Channel , which he deleted pretty much straight away, he replied back to my e mails a few times, and I ended up by telling him in no uncertain terms I don't care who he is, or who he thinks he is, he cannot do this Autopen fraud that his company has done twice now in the last few weeks, and this is their final warning / and hopefully all the others will take note that if it happens again, they will be taken to the cleaners, I haven't e mailed their parent company yet, but I will be later today, and i didn't even buy a copy but did with Indigo!
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Well done guys, amazing team work!
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Next up-Cormac McCarthy autopens. But boy I hope not!
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Permalink Reply by Steve on
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Just received this email:
Rae (Simon & Schuster Shop)
Nov 21, 2022, 08:04 PST
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Yes the Very same Rae that 2 days again guaranteed these were personally hand signed by Bob Dylan..... I like how they use just the wording Limited edition now....
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This does seem to me an opportunity to make a collective statement about autopens. Just off the top of my head... Dylan, Parton, Gretzky, Alicia Keys, and Urban Meyer (no one mentioned him yet) and others that slip my mind. The point is that without pushback, the publishers will continue and even accelerate the trend toward taking the easy way out. So pushback is necessary, and this forum is really the only venue capable of providing that pushback. Kudos to those of you who took the lead and did the work.
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One of the articles I was reading said we should consider a class action lawsuit still . Anyone think it might be worth it to get the truth . I can ask some lawyers I know .
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To those who purchased THE PHILOSOPHY OF MODERN SONG limited edition, we want to apologize. As it turns out, the limited edition books do contain Bob’s original signature, but in a penned replica form. We are addressing this immediately by providing each purchaser with an immediate refund. In addition, we are not asking you to return the books back to us. Please keep the books as a gesture of goodwill. We sincerely apologize for this and appreciate your patience as we move forward with the refunds for your purchase.
You should see the refund processed within the next 48-72 hours and a notification will be sent to the email address used to place your order once the refund has been processed. Please note that refunds are sent back to the original method of payment and may take 5-7 business days to be returned back to that payment method.