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Bob Dylan AUTOPEN Info To Help With Returns / Refunds - Simon & Schuster, Premiere, and Coles
***URGENT UPDATE
Previous update
Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
https://www.castlefineart.com/art/bob-dylan/cactus
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Karp
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ORIGINAL POST
I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1290-cjbk/news/collectors-quest...
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/indigo-bob-dylan-po...
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
15th variation
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
17th variation
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Video of set 1 Dylan1.mp4 - Photo of set 1 Dylan1.JPG
Video of set 2 Dylan2.mp4 - Photo of set 2 Dylan2.JPG
Video of set 3 Dylan3.mp4 - Photo of set 3 Dylan3.JPG
Video of set 4 Dylan4.mp4 - Photo of set 4 Dylan4.JPG
Video of set 5 Dylan5.mp4 - Photo of set 5 Dylan5.JPG
Video of set 6 Dylan6.mp4 - Photo of set 6 Dylan6.JPG
Video of set 7 Dylan7.mp4 - Photo of set 7 Dylan7.JPG
Video of set 9 Dylan9.mp4 - Photo of set 9 Dylan9.JPG
Video of set 10 Dylan10.mp4 - Photo of set 10 Dylan10.JPG
Video of set 11 Dylan11.mp4 - Photo of set 11 Dylan11.JPG
Video of set 12 Dylan12.mp4 - Photo of set 12 Dylan12.JPG
Video of set 14 Dylan14.mp4 - Photo of set 14 Dylan14.JPG
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Important emails:
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
duane@premierespeakers.com - Others have tried duane@premierecollectables.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
suzanne.baboneau@simonandschuster.co.uk
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
ian.chapman@simonandschuster.co.uk
Bob Dylan's Manager
Jeff Kramer
OK Management
275 South Beverly Drive
Suite 215
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Phone: 310-535-1647
Bob Dylan's Agent
Brian Greenbaum
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
Phone: 424-288-2000
Bob Dylan's Production Agent
Sony/Columbia/CBS Records
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Phone: 212-833-7305
Bob Dylan's Law Firm
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Phone: 310-312-4000
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Tweet or privatly message Bob on his verified Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/bobdylan/
Bob Dylan's Facebook
Post or message Bob on his verified Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/bobdylan/
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
BOBDYLAN@EPICRIGHTS.COM
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
Dolly Parton Autopen Example.jpg
http://www.feelnumb.com/2022/03/09/dolly-parton-fake-autograph-song...
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/dolly-parton-signed...
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I agree. People need to consult a lawyer. I wouldn't give in to the shady blackmail.
They clearly see you having the COA confirming your print is Hand signed by Mr Dylan as a threat to them and would be very damaging for them if it was taken to court - they have personally authenticated these prints were hand signed by Mr Dylan - Castle Fine Arts have obviously sought legal advice and know they are at fault and not only liable to being sued but would obviously be found guilty as they've already admitted it publicly!.
The the fraudsters proof is right there on that COA in your possession - and Castle Fine are are worried.- If I had a print - I would want a damn lot more than a refund and to keep the autopenned print - you have Castle Fine Art by the Short and Curlies!
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Are the COAs printed in special paper or hand signed? Could they be reproduced easily? That would be a good way for a scammer to make some money, if they bought a print but already sold it, copy their original COA, send it back for a refund. I'm curious if they will extend the offer to people who bought them 2nd hand or if they're screwed.
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Exactly that's what I was thinking this whole time. They said they buy the prints from Dylan, so the only proof they'd have of them being signed is Dylans word. The same Dylan that told them the autopens were hand signed. So what's to say he didn't tell them secretarial signed prints were real as well? They have no real propf. The guy has been shown to have no honor and will lie and rip off anyone he does business with, but his word is enough authentication for them.
I'm glad I never bought a print the 100 times I've looked at them because if I did, I know I'd be forever questioning the authenticity of the signature. He never signs so there's not many in person to compare to, and I could be wrong but the ones I've seen had the straight Y not the crossed Y. That could be the entire reason he refuses to sign, if he never signs there's never going to be something to compare against his secretary signed stuff. So that's the perfect way to have someone else sign for you and never get caught. Maybe his ghost signer quit their job in 2019. Either way I don't think I could ever trust anything of his that wasn't signed in person.
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Permalink Reply by Matt M. on
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“The same Dylan that told them the autopens were hand signed.” Lol exactly.
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Permalink Reply by Martin Slack on
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It's called greed.......The more you have , the more you want.
Both Dolly and Bob need to contact all those who have been conned out of there hard earned cash and as well as refunding them, they should also invite the buyers to a show and give them free seats at the front and meet them backstage after the show to apologise........but .....sadly .....that won't ever happen.
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Exactly. Maybe Dolly can use some of that hundred mill she got from Jeff Bezos to fund that lol. Bob can throw in with his 500 mill paycheck he just got... wait nevermind.
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Permalink Reply by Lars Olav Karlsen on
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We just have to work more and compare those before 2019 as well.
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Yeah I'd say you're 100% right... they may be real as some have said, but I'd agree we should do our best to compare and scrutinize them just as much as the autopens. It's not fair to the people who shelled out thousands to have to question if they own a real Dylan signature or not... and not right that the dealers/Bob get to profit if they're not real.
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I would be so pissed off if I had one of those prints . Damaging my drywall !
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It brings down the value of the drywall. Everyone that walks by thinks it's counterfeit drywall.
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LOL yes! I'd take all his prints down and burn them - before your houses fall down - then you would have to Sue Teflon Bob !
Hell great scam though - where do i buy one of these autopen machines ! If you can't beat them!!!
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Robert Zimmerman - The Untold Story - Autopens - Don't you Just Love Em' !
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The new Dylan album is fantastic but seems a little too on the nose if you ask me. His lyrics are rather poignant tho...
You say you never compromise
With the mystery stamp but now you realise
I'm not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of my eyes
And say
"Do you want to make a deal?"How does it feel?
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