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Bob Dylan AUTOPEN Info To Help With Returns / Refunds - Simon & Schuster, Premiere, and Coles
***URGENT UPDATE
Previous update
Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
https://www.castlefineart.com/art/bob-dylan/cactus
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Karp
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ORIGINAL POST
I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
https://www.iheartradio.ca/newstalk-1290-cjbk/news/collectors-quest...
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/indigo-bob-dylan-po...
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
15th variation
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
17th variation
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Video of set 1 Dylan1.mp4 - Photo of set 1 Dylan1.JPG
Video of set 2 Dylan2.mp4 - Photo of set 2 Dylan2.JPG
Video of set 3 Dylan3.mp4 - Photo of set 3 Dylan3.JPG
Video of set 4 Dylan4.mp4 - Photo of set 4 Dylan4.JPG
Video of set 5 Dylan5.mp4 - Photo of set 5 Dylan5.JPG
Video of set 6 Dylan6.mp4 - Photo of set 6 Dylan6.JPG
Video of set 7 Dylan7.mp4 - Photo of set 7 Dylan7.JPG
Video of set 9 Dylan9.mp4 - Photo of set 9 Dylan9.JPG
Video of set 10 Dylan10.mp4 - Photo of set 10 Dylan10.JPG
Video of set 11 Dylan11.mp4 - Photo of set 11 Dylan11.JPG
Video of set 12 Dylan12.mp4 - Photo of set 12 Dylan12.JPG
Video of set 14 Dylan14.mp4 - Photo of set 14 Dylan14.JPG
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Important emails:
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
jonathan.karp@simonandschuster.com
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
duane@premierespeakers.com - Others have tried duane@premierecollectables.com
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
suzanne.baboneau@simonandschuster.co.uk
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
ian.chapman@simonandschuster.co.uk
Bob Dylan's Manager
Jeff Kramer
OK Management
275 South Beverly Drive
Suite 215
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Phone: 310-535-1647
Bob Dylan's Agent
Brian Greenbaum
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
Phone: 424-288-2000
Bob Dylan's Production Agent
Sony/Columbia/CBS Records
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Phone: 212-833-7305
Bob Dylan's Law Firm
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Phone: 310-312-4000
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Tweet or privatly message Bob on his verified Twitter account.
https://twitter.com/bobdylan/
Bob Dylan's Facebook
Post or message Bob on his verified Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/bobdylan/
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
BOBDYLAN@EPICRIGHTS.COM
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
Dolly Parton Autopen Example.jpg
http://www.feelnumb.com/2022/03/09/dolly-parton-fake-autograph-song...
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/dolly-parton-signed...
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Jason H on
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Heres the link to Halcyon
https://www.halcyongallery.com/bob-dylan/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlLLP-7f...
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Permalink Reply by Nichole on
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Hahaha if you think he’s painting these by himself. Lol. Which series are these?
yes. Halcyon sells the paintings and castle sells the prints.
but… uh lol. I wouldn’t buy his original “paintings”
maybe a sketch. A painting no way. Nor a gate nothing that requires more than a drawing.
maybe work done by bob Dylan and other mysterious unmentioned people. I mean look at retrospectrum Isn’t it obvious? The lady who called me today said oh he’s evolved as an artist and I stopped her and said, please. He didn’t paint that. Sorry no. No one can convince me he painted those.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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As a painter for 40 years I don't believe a word of it, nor the signatures on these acrylic silkscreens.
Here is one of my originals. Handmade earth pigments including Afghani Lapis on quartersawn unprimed mahogany 3" x 9". Any warm colors you see are mostly bare mahogany (left trees and all, some in the sky). The historic WW2 Observational Tower has since been demolished :(
Click for the full image. I did this miniature in 1 sitting with 1 small round bristle brush and a pencil:
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Clearly you have more talent than he does
so explain why you’re not buying into him painting or signing
your thoughts coming from an artist Lens
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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on
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That's awesome! Looks better than Bob's. Maybe he'll hire you to be his ghost painter. Jokes aside, that's great work!
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Thank you PFCollector. It is modeled after the Dutch C, 1660. Yes, I now work on copper.
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Thank you InkInvestor. It is the cliffs of Maine looking north from Western Point. Homer painted this and I managed to find the exact spot, a natural chair, in the rocks. I used to visit up there and see his remaining family. Only this single vantage provides this view.
Here is an approximate view. Look at the two dark ledges and find them in my painting for orientation.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Debroni,
You are doing GREAT. Especially as a new member!
And your spelling and grammar are excellent, unlike ONE member here. Ummm... me. But I have an excuse—I was an English major.
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"You can say anything about me, as long as you spell my name right" P.T. Barnum
I make so many mistakes in emails that I have to check and recheck before sending. It's embarrassing, Mr. Cerkin!
Seriously, thanks for your nice note. I appreciate it.....
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"Bad press is better than no press at all" - Bela Lugosi 1953
I too make many mistakes. English is my second language - my first is mumbling. :-)
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Hello again. I am going to pontificate here, and I hope I don't get blasted! I think I have found one key to understanding Bob Dylan's MO. But first I think it is important to accept that Dylan is not a collector and doesn't really understand the collecting mentality. I don't think he has distain for his fans( as I have seen him in concert too many times), he's just uncomfortable around fans. He probably has a distain for collectors of his autographs however, because he thinks everyone is just out to get something of value from him.
I think I have figured out a major aspect of his MO. He suffers from what I will call a "MITD" (milk it to death) syndrome. He milks anything that can produce more "product". He milks his outtakes, he milks his artwork, and he milks his songs. Anything that can produce more salable product is fair game. BUT, he doesn't like rote repetition, so he varies his repetitions. His prints are an example. He does one good work, and then he milks it. Why have only one piece to sell? So he (or probably an assistant or assistants) makes variations - prints in different colors, but the same image or design. That way he has more pieces to sell. The same could apply to his feelings about his signature. He apparently doesn't like to repeat a signature, over and over again. So, he varies it. Same applies to his auto pen signatures - they vary. Maybe this is an attempt at subterfuge, or maybe he just wants to avoid repetition. Bob Dylan the MITD master....
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