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Permalink Reply by LM on December 18, 2011 at 12:26pm

I looked at these online yesterday,,,and great catch on the Sec of Treasury...I didn't go that far though.  I went to the sellers archives and linked on others he had for sale...one in particular that was not authenticated by anyone, however, he still had it up for sale with the others.  It was a May 1914 certificate with a "Babe" Ruth auto with Babe in quotes.  I emailed the guy and asked if he minded disclosing where he received such a large lot...hasn't gotten back with me...then I made note to him that Babe Ruth's debut wasn't until July 1914 and it was his team that nicknamed him the "Babe"...so if Babe Ruth did sign the May 1914 certificate he was not only the greatest player that ever played the game, he should have been a fortune teller!!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 18, 2011 at 12:40pm

LM...you're just the kind of collector we love to have here. You're showing how important and how easy it is to use common sense and a little research to screen out many fakes and bad sellers.

BTW, what website did you find the Ruth silver certificates at? The dealer who had them said he was going to take them all back to the coin shop he said he bought them at.

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Permalink Reply by LM on December 18, 2011 at 12:52pm

I hit a bunch of sites yesterday, but I thought it was eBay...I will look in my history though and find out for sure

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Permalink Reply by LM on December 18, 2011 at 1:09pm

Okay...I found it in two places today...but here is the original link with all of His "certificates" for sale as is:

http://www.bonanza.com/listings/Silver-Certificate-Dollar-Bill-Date...

and here is the one I just found

http://www.etsy.com/listing/81857169/silver-certificate-dollar-bill...

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on December 18, 2011 at 2:07pm

Steve, I may be mistaken I believe the early Ruth signature slanted a lot more to the right, and were smaller in stature.  these silver cert.claimed to be from 1914 do not seem to match the time period for his signature.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 18, 2011 at 2:10pm

Thanks, Terrier. 

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Permalink Reply by CEE GEE on December 19, 2011 at 8:05am

Damn...not a big fan of ACE personally...not really sure 

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Permalink Reply by Jeremy Waldschmidt on December 19, 2011 at 4:13pm

I have recently purchased a 1927 Milwaukee vs. Toledo scorecard signed "Babe" Ruth in the upper right hand corner with pencil.  I do have a letter of certification from ACE.  The signature is exactly like the one in the picture from the original post.  I did purchase this from an auction is Colorado Springs, and they said that the 12-15 signed pieces were from a collector in PA.

This was my first purchase of an autographed item, so I am very new to this whole process.  I assumed that it would be authentic being that it does have a letter of cert from ACE, but it is sounding like I might be wrong.  Any help and advice would be great.

The is a handwritten note on the back stating "Just a little kiss, from a little miss.  Fox Trot-Dance Key-A".  Also the words J W Jenkins Co are handwritten on the top of the scorecard back.

Thanks Jeremy

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on December 19, 2011 at 5:09pm

I guess the fox trot was popular back then.  its on the back of BOTH of these score cards??

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Permalink Reply by Jeremy Waldschmidt on December 19, 2011 at 5:14pm

Do you think I can trust this certification?  After reading this discussion it makes me wonder.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on December 19, 2011 at 5:17pm

I think most experienced collectors do not place a lot of faith in an ACE COA. It's not to say the item is definitely bad, but I would judge the item based on its own merits. 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 19, 2011 at 6:11pm

Jeremy,

Here's a link to a number of silver certificates certified by ACE, being offered for $250-$350, supposedly signed by Babe Ruth (and others). In many cases, the secretary of the treasury printed on the bill was appointed after Babe Ruth died, so obviously they're fake.

http://www.etsy.com/people/baseballsignatures?ref=ls_profile

If they were genuine, I'd say they'd sell for at least $3,000 in a heartbeat. 

Third-party authenticators like ACE, TTA, PAAS, GAI, Christopher Morales and AAU/Drew Max are primarily used for autographs that PSA/DNA, JSA and respected specialty authenticators will not certify because they believe they're not genuine. ACE, etc., seem to call the autographs what the submittor wants (usually genuine), and therefore their autographs are actually more likely to be "questionable" than autographs not certified at all. They seem to be used to provide "assurance" to naive buyers.

Still, sometimes inexperienced collectors and others who don't know the score may send genuine autographs to those other authenticators, not knowing about their reputations, so genuine material is found from time to time certified by most.

Long answer, but the truth.

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