Authenticity is Everything
Has anyone tried this Verimarx Ai tool that's advertised on this site?
Was wondering if anyone here has used it here and had it work well? I can't find much information on this tool, supposedly it detects forgeries, just wanted thoughts on it.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo
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"Does VeriMarx authenticate, certify, or verify autographs?
No. VeriMarx does not authenticate, certify, verify, or guarantee the authenticity of any autograph or item. The service provides analytical insights only and is intended to support informed decision-making, not replace expert review or third-party evaluation."
"Can VeriMarx tell me if an autograph is real or fake?
No. VeriMarx does not make definitive determinations. Instead, it highlights patterns, consistencies, and potential red flags that may help you decide whether further review is warranted."
AI has been brought up here before. Not recommended .It is or can be self confirming and can be led to believe anything. From the above quote from the FAQ I would wonder why anyone would even bother. Use your own experience, observations and files of known exemplars. Some trusted eyes in here as well if an assist is needed. No one will care more about your autographs than you.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin
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VeriMarx is completely free for the next few months. It's only 4-5 months old, still learning, improving all the time, and I think it has REAL potential.
I've tested it and seen strong, consistent results in many cases, especially where it's learned an autograph from many exemplars of good and bad.
It doesn't fully authenticate, and the owners say they don't plan for it to. It analyzes the autograph for signs of authenticity and forgery, both generally and for the specific signer, takes the photo quality into account, and tells you what it sees as signs of potential forgery or authenticity, and tells you its confidence in its opinion.
Then you make your own decision whether to buy something, sell something with confidence it's likely genuine, or spend potentially $100s sending it to a TPA.
Even when they start charging, it'll only be $4.
It does what we tell collectors to do to help determine if an autograph is likely real or not. And like us, it will help people who use it become more knowledgeable collectors.
Users get their analysis privately, typically in 15 seconds or less after upload in my experience. As good as our opinions usually are, we'll never be able to do that.
The more free submissions you upload, the better it will get.
So use it, report on AML what it tells you, and give your opinions.
It reads the site. It'll learn from us.
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Permalink Reply by MikeEarmantraut
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I tested it out on my Bryan Cranston card I got awhile back as a gift that I'm afraid to send in mail and they scored it with a 92 which is pretty cool, very nice to see it go in depth into why it's possibly good or bad, impressive in my opinion, more than I was expecting.
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Permalink Reply by Stephen Woods
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Interesting development, AI is moving fast.
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Paraphrased from a ChatGPT joke
Guy: Is this Beatles sig authentic?
VeriMarx: Yes
Guy: Hey that sig turned out to be fake!
VeriMarx: You're right, it's a fake signature. Would you like to learn more about the Beatles?
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I can verify...VeriMarx doesn't work like that. Perhaps try it.
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Doesn't work like what?
It doesn't bring in outside examples to help it "learn"?
But Steve had said this:
It's only 4-5 months old, still learning, improving all the time, and I think it has REAL potential.
The more free submissions you upload, the better it will get.
It reads the site. It'll learn from us.
If it's not "learning" that way then how is it being provided with exemplars to use for comparison?
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What will it make of the dunkin R&R thread? That would be interesting.
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That part is accurate. However, it does not work like "ChatGPT" or similar in that you can help it hallucinate. In other words, you cannot "tell it" anything. However, it does learn from each analysis.
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I have very mixed feelings about this, but of course AI is here and our hobby won't be immune from its impacts.
There will undoubtedly be people who will rely on this technology either as a buyer or seller no matter what disclaimer is attached to it.
One problem I've seen with some AI is that it scours the internet for relevant but not necessarily accurate information to form it's results. Known disinformation can sometimes then become validated by AI.
I do find it a little odd that while many people here won't share specifics on how they determine an autograph's authenticity for fear of helping forgers refine their technique, many don't consider that this AI is a forger's dream. They can just keep forging an autograph and getting feedback from the AI tool that will help them produce a better forgery.
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+1 at $4 a try that seems a good point you make at the end.
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I appreciate the thoughtful feedback here and wanted to add a little more context as one of the developers.
At this stage, VeriMarx is very much a research and collaborative project, not an authentication service. As the FAQ states, it does not authenticate, certify, or guarantee an autograph. The purpose is to provide analytical insight that may help collectors decide whether an item is worth pursuing further authentication.
The focus of the analysis is not simply “real vs fake.” The goal is to explain the why — identifying potential forgery indicators, common forgery techniques, and inconsistencies, and then comparing those observations against known authentic representations where applicable. The resulting report is meant to be educational, highlighting characteristics collectors may want to examine more closely.
Equally important, the system is still very early in development (about 4–5 months old) and the current phase is intentionally open so that collectors can experiment with it, critique it, and help improve it. Feedback from experienced collectors — especially communities like this one — is exactly what helps refine the analysis.
Regarding the concern that tools like this could help forgers: the reality is that forgery techniques have been documented in books, articles, and forums for decades. Our goal is to level the playing field for collectors, many of whom don’t have access to large exemplar libraries or years of experience studying handwriting characteristics.
Ultimately, VeriMarx isn’t meant to replace collectors’ knowledge, community opinions, or third-party authenticators. If anything, the goal is to encourage more informed decision-making and help collectors better understand the kinds of indicators experts already look for.
Constructive criticism is genuinely helpful at this stage, so if anyone here tries it and sees areas where it can improve, I’d absolutely welcome that feedback.
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