Authenticity is Everything
Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
Starting this separate thread to track the Liza Minnelli autopen situation.
Signed copies of her new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, include autopen signatures.
You may also visit the previously existing Liza Minnelli thread for more information.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.
Overlay Video 1 (click title to play video)
Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up, exactly on two examples received by the same person:
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in love:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of Liza into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment:
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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this and discuss the issue if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo
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Perhaps send some to VeriMarx since the submission are free...might be interesting.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Furness
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES
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Jason H Lumpy THE Z flow? yep that definitely screams of being off.
the "broken" out of line L that then reattaches? yep, that doesn't look good.
Eric Keith Longo "Multiple templates and placements, the occasional "bump" here and there."
Exactly Eric, I had written right away on the forum about multiple templates being used.
And you had said a "bump", I can't quite explain it ... but I had said to Matt that it's almost like when you'd listen to a vinyl record and "bump" the turntable accidentally, the needle would jump, perhaps skip, but then resettle back into a groove, and the song would continue.
We are all onto something here.
"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"
JJ
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I have two CD covers in my collection which are said to be signed by Liza. I have no certainty on whether these are genuine, but thought I would throw them into the mix! It might help the research process.
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Thanks to everybody for continuing to post their examples and such. I’m still working on things but had to take a break for a while. For anyone who has not posted their own example yet, please feel free to post a picture of the front and back of the signature page. I’m trying not to pull random copies from the internet as they may be duplicates… I’m trying to keep up with where I got what. I still think we need a few more overlays/examples to further develop this.
I’ve looked at so many of these for so long that I think I’m starting to recognize some individual components…pieces that may have been put together to form various hybrid templates. For example, a lot of the L’s overlap exactly (right along with the Z for example), but not the rest of the signature. Or the “ove” in “love” overlaps exactly, along with the “A” in Liza and the circle of the smiley face… but the rest of the it doesn’t match without re-orienting slightly. You can see this in some of the existing overlay videos at the top of the page. Still working on it.
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Absolute killer work on all of our behalf!
Many thanks and kudos Matt M. !
I've replayed a couple of your OVERLAY videos, and I'm now convinced
that can only be explained with these being mechanical, and newly evolved
high end multiple template auto pens!
Saw this on the net:
Top High-End Autopen Solutions:- UUNA TEK® iAuto (Premium Series): Marketed as a modern alternative to traditional autopens, this device supports multiple templates, auto-feeds up to 80 papers, and can generate natural variations in signatures to appear more authentic.
Recall that Bob Dylan and his team, The "Respected" Book Publishers, Booksellers, and Art houses all denied any wrong doing until we illustrated so much visual evidence here on this site,
they finally caved and admitted the fraud.
JJ
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