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Liza Minnelli Autopen? Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
Starting this separate thread to track the potential Liza Minnelli autopen situation.
It appears that signed copies of her new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, may include autopen signatures.
I’m working to update this thread with the information to date, but for now, please see the existing Liza Minnelli thread for more information.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
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Permalink Reply by MrEntertainment1111
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Long-time lurker here who actually signed up to join in this conversation. I agree that she couldn't have done these, but I can't imagine that she somehow has access to a newfangled AI mix-and-match autopen. Something is definitely off, though. And they do all seem to be the same hand. Secretarial seems like a good likelihood.
Here's my copy, from Waterstones.
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Hi JG, glad you joined and thanks for posting your examples. Yeah, I’m sort of at a loss of what to think on this. I’ve seen evidence to suggest mechanical involvement, but also not ruling out some sort of secretarial involvement. I think it’s clear though that she did not sign these.
I took your example and compared it with one that was posted in the Facebook group on the original thread.
-As I first start overlaying, notice the close overlap on the word “Love”. It’s not exact but close- Not enough to be definitive, but certainly concerning.
-Then I start to overlap the Z’s. Notice how the top loop of the L in “Liza” overlaps nicely at the same time that the “I” starts to line up (including the dot), along with the Zs and the As falling into place. It just seems really odd but obviously, the rest of it is not falling into place.
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Ok, I think this shows the issue pretty well. I took a close-up of the consistent elements in JG’s signature and a close up of the one from Facebook. Here is an overlay of that.
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. Yes the “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance. There’s just no way.
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Yeah, those aren't secretarial, the spacing and consistency of the overlapping parts are much to uniform imo. I posted a silly little article about AI autopens over 2 years ago, the article itself wasn't anything significant but I figured it was just a matter of time before the autopens would become tougher to detect. Of course other members have vastly more experience so what do I know, other than those aren't secretarial "signatures."
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/ai-can-now-mimic-yo...
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I think I remember you posting that, or at least the subject being brought up before on here. I’ll take another look at that.
Yeah, here is a still shot of the overlay above, showing the Z’s lined up, the top of the smiley face lined up, and the top loop of the L’s lined up closely (I could’ve made that better).
Something caused the I to shift over slightly in the example, along with the A.
I think it’s a simple as a bump or someone/something physically manipulating the machine or paper, like was mentioned.
However, the bottom loop of the L was changed in size but appears consistent between the examples when you resize it. But then the rest doesn’t lineup anymore.
They really tried to disguise this well, its pretty complicated. I’ve looked at many examples today that I could not get to line up. Granted, I’m picking two at a time randomly but to see something like this makes you wonder:
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES
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Just saw this and have to agree with you Allginger
"no way she signed all those books!!"
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