Authenticity is Everything

Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!

Starting this separate thread to track the Liza Minnelli autopen situation.

Signed copies of her new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, include autopen signatures.

You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...

Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.

Overlay Video 1 (click title to play video)

Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)

Overlay Video 2

-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly

-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well

-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.

Overlay Video 3

Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one

-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well

Overlay Video 4

Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.

Overlay Video 5

Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person

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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.

Example:

First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:

Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:

Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:

Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):

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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:

https://youtu.be/pROf6q-9POU

A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...

Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES 30 minutes ago

"But I don’t see how they overlap exactly with the exact same spacing as I have shown in some of my examples."

Precisely Matt M. NO WAY you get overlaps that exactly fit over one another like puzzle pieces, AND also have the exact same spacing!

Jason H I just picked up my 2 Liza's from Indigo and will post them asap to build our exemplar databank.

I said to the employee "These are probably coming right back to you for return".

She said, "You have 30 days".

I replied "Give me 3o hours!"

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Permalink Reply by Matt M. 26 minutes ago

Lol. Thanks Jimmy, I appreciate it and will be glad to see what we find with your examples when you can post.

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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES 2 hours ago

Sorry, but I continue to subsribe to the Matt M. school of thinking:

"Any points that may not line up exactly are not as concerning as how much of it does overlay."

The mission statement of this whole forum is Authenticity is Everything.

It's NOT Matt's opinion, it's Fact and Proof that Matt M has shown concrete examples of overlaying components among different exemplars.

Yes in Frank's two exemplars it is only a small piece of "ove" that repeats BUT

it remains concerning that it does exactly overlay.

Liza is 80, she used AI on her latest music single.

Liza denied using AI to "read" her audiobook, but the wide consensus is to the contrary.

I totally believe Liza used an Advanced version Autopen with Multiple Templates to sign some/many/all of these books, and this will come out in due time.

The Big 3 Legit Authenticators will probably fail many of these or not even touch them.

This whole debacle stinks...akin to the Bob Dylan Book/Art fraud.

At first everybody was in disbelief, and Bob himself, Publishers and Art houses denied any wrongdoing.

That didn't age well, and neither will Liza's situation.

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Permalink Reply by michelle 10 minutes ago

We need a tame stroke specialist who would see his/her involvement as a fun diversion from medicine. Could someone who has suffered a minor stroke and who is nearly 80 write so many sigs? its medically impossible. Probably a silly idea but .................