****This topic (and the forum) have gained media attention. Please see this article for more information:
 

https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...

****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.

You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).

Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.

Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.

****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****


Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.

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  • Collectors have identified repeatable signature patterns across multiple copies of Liza Minnelli’s signed memoir.

  • Overlay analysis reveals identical geometry and spacing in specific segments, an outcome not consistent with natural handwriting. 

  • There’s a growing view on this forum that this reflects a repeatable mechanical process, potentially involving advanced autopen use built from older verified signatures.

  • Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.

  • There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.

  • UPDATE 4/1/26: JSA has classified the book signatures as "inconclusive," meaning they are unable to definitively confirm or deny the authenticity of the signature.

 ⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures 



Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.

Overlay Video 1 ▶️

Note how “Liza” matches up 

Overlay Video 2 ▶️

-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly

-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well 

-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.

Overlay Video 3 ▶️

Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one

-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well


Overlay Video 4 ▶️

Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance. 

Overlay Video 5 ▶️

Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person

Overlay Video 6 ▶️

Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift

Overlay Video 7 ▶️

Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps

Overlay Video 8 ▶️

Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.

Overlay Video 9 ▶️

Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.

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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.


Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.

Example: 

First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”: 



Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line: 

Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line: 



Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma): 

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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):



The signature from the book cover above matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s: 

What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:

Book cover Overlay ▶️

(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)

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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***

  • Multiple members of this forum have observed indications that a modern, high-volume autopen system may be involved. One example is the UUNA TEK iAuto Premium, which demonstrates the level of precision and consistency seen with the Liza signatures. According to Steve Cyrkin, the founder of Autograph Live, the results appear consistent with this type of technology. A higher-volume model such as the Ultimate could also be capable, as the underlying signing mechanism appears similar, according to Steve.

  • Additionally, members on the forum have observed evidence suggesting the use of multiple marker types: some signatures appear consistent with a standard medium-point Sharpie-style marker, while others show characteristics of a chisel-point tip. Variations in stroke width within a single line (such as tapered sections in circular elements like the face) support this, as pointed out by Steve Cyrkin. 

  • Demonstration videos of the UUNA TEK iAuto show that not only the pen moves, but the paper itself shifts in short, controlled motions during signing. As has been noted by members of the forum, this could help explain the consistent geometry and repeatable structure observed across multiple signatures.

Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:

https://youtu.be/pROf6q-9POU

A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...

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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...

Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You

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This isn’t what I was expecting. This is the advanced autopen machine that’s supposed to have been used to produce the Liza signatures?

This may be the one or it may be another. I'm sure there are more advanced ones. The characters on this one are for sending out handwritten-looking marketing pieces. They're highly variable but they are made to write notes. When I zoomed in, though, I saw the same ink spread and ribbing characteristics. 

I think the pen pressure looks pretty similar throughout, and you can see the telltale pooled ink at the beginning and end of the ink lines. I was expecting something that mimics natural pen speed with more tapered endings.

That was my reaction as well…I don’t really see the same characteristics in the Liza signatures as what the iAuto examples show. But at the same time, I’m not sure what would account for the level of consistency we’ve seen with the Liza’s.

I just got the following email from Premiere Collectibles about my pre-order with JSA authentication:

We wanted to share an important update regarding your Liza Minnelli signed book with JSA certification.

After review, JSA classified the signatures as "inconclusive," which means they are unable to definitively confirm or deny the authenticity of the signature. At the same time, the publisher has reaffirmed that all copies in this edition were hand-signed by Liza Minnelli.

Premiere is offering a full refund or a $25 credit.

SURPRISE, SUR - FRIGGING-PRISE !!!

Good for JSA for not authenticating this garbage though.

"the publisher has reaffirmed that all copies in this edition were hand-signed by Liza Minnelli."

...ya, may be time to for the Publishers to quit spewing this bulls**t !!!

jj


Well that sure is interesting. Thanks for sharing Frank, I had still been checking eBay to see if any JSA authenticated copies landed. I guess that answers that. 

I just checked my emails and like Frank i got the same response from Premiere Collectables.


Thanks Darren, I remember that you had one on order with authentication. Appreciate you updating us as well, I’m glad they’re getting the word out.


Good to know about the refund (or credit) as well.

So I assume Premiere stands by their own COA for the non-JSA customers? 

That says a lot about Premiere Collectibles.


Right…so they’ll refund the copies with independent scrutiny, but stand behind the ones without it. Interesting. 

 

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