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While it would require far more than a single article to educate the autograph collector to detect Mantle, Williams and DiMaggio forgeries, there are some general as well as specific warning keys to these three autographs that may aid in detecting possible forgeries.
Genuine Mantle, Williams & DiMaggio signed photo provided by EAC Gallery.
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As a general rule, one of the first things I examine in an autograph is its feel – how it was written. When an individual signs his name there should be an easy, smooth flow to the signature. We’ve all signed our names countless times, and we don’t need to think about it. An item we offered in one of our past auctions was a sheet of paper signed several times by Joe Jackson. Jackson, who was almost completely illiterate, actually had to practice, in essence work at, writing his name prior to signing documents. Likewise, when a forger writes a signature, he or she is working at it and therefore upon close examination it’s often possible to detect such warning keys as a slowness of motion, stops and starts at inappropriate spots, and possibly even a shakiness in the writing. An invaluable aid to help detect these keys, taught to me by John Reznikoff of University Archives many years ago, is to turn the autograph upside down. When you view an autograph in an unnatural position these warning keys are often easier to detect.
In addition to such general warning keys there are specific warning keys, unique to an individual’s autograph, to keep an eye out for.
In the 1980’s and 1990’s Mickey Mantle stated on numerous occasions that he was blessed to be able to earn more money signing his name at one single weekend show than his father had earned in an entire year working as a coal miner. Because of this Mantle always felt his fans were deserving of a clear, elegant signature. In authentic Mickey Mantle autographs Mickey would always end the “y” in “Mickey” on an upswing, and because he would be quickly flowing through his signature, he therefore started the “M” in “Mantle” on a higher level or plane than he had started the “M” in “Mickey”. Most forgers, because they were “working” on writing Mantle’s signature, would pause after completing “Mickey” and begin anew in writing “Mantle”, therefore placing “Mantle” on more of a straight line with “Mickey”. If one places a ruler or sheet of paper straight across the item Mantle signed (not straight across the signature) all that appears below the ruler or paper of an authentic Mantle is the bottom portion of the “M” in “Mickey”. In the case of most forgeries the ruler or paper completely covers the entire signature. Another difficulty forgers have with Mantle’s signature was his unique way of looping the bottom portion of his “M”. Such curved lines were executed in one easy movement by Mantle, but are most often elongated by forgers who again are “working” the signature. Such slow, elongated forgeries are especially easy to recognize on baseballs as their curved surfaces only add to the forger’s difficulty.
In the case of Ted Williams autographs, with the exception of the capital “W” in Williams, Ted would consistently make the size of all the letters in his last time nearly the same exact size. Most telling is the “illia”, with the “l”s just ever so slightly taller than the “i”s, and the “a” as tall as the “l”s. Try as they may, most forgers simply can’t undo years of training and habit causing their “l”s to be significantly taller than their “i”s, and their “a” significantly shorter than their “l”s. Williams also connected the “W” in “Williams” to the “ed” in “Ted” with a swirl that gave forgers difficulty in replicating in the same, easy, flowing movement as appears in authentic examples. Also of interest, in addition to the many Williams intentional forgeries in existence, Williams revealed late in his life that during his playing days his signature on team signed balls was often a “clubhouse” example, not penned by him.
Regarding Joe DiMaggio’s autograph, problems for forgers begin with the first letter in Joe. Like the “M”s in Mantle’s autograph, the “J” in “Joe”, which appears as two loops, a larger loop on top and a smaller one below, were created by curved lines which are the hardest to duplicate without leaving telltale signs of slowness or inappropriate stops and starts. In addition, DiMaggio would pen his “J”s so that the lower loop would be written on top of (literally written over) the upper loop in two places. For some inexplicable reason, a significant percentage of DiMaggio forgeries flow in the opposite direction, with the upper loop covering the lower one. An inexpensive magnifier or jeweler’s loop will aid in viewing this detail. Finally, the general feel of an authentic DiMaggio autograph is often somewhat sloppy, in the sense that the spacing between letters is uneven, obviously much more so in his second name. Again due to the fact that forgers are working rather than simply signing, the spacing they place between each letter is far more uniform.
Finally, the age-old adage “experience is the best teacher” is indeed appropriate here. The building of as extensive a library of exemplars as possible, of both authentic and fake examples, would be of help to visualize these and additional warning keys, and tremendously assist in the detection of forgeries.
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Everything that has been posted on here with her name on it has been a forgery. Call it what you will.
Wow!!! That is just so sad!
Wow!!! That is just so sad! Thank you sir!
Here's a couple of beauties I found on the Amazon website. These are horrific at best. Someone had mentioned that Amazon was starting up their Collectibles Division. These are horrific at best.
http://www.amazon.com/Mickey-Mantle-Autographed-Baseball-Yankees/dp...
http://www.amazon.com/Mickey-Mantle-Autographed-Photo-COA/dp/B008LO...
http://www.amazon.com/Sluggers-DiMaggio-Mantle-Certificate-Authenti...
http://www.amazon.com/Signed-Mickey-Mantle-Yankees-Photo/dp/B0046R6...
Here's another horrific set of forgeries I saw over at Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Dimaggio-Mickey-Mantle-Autographed-Baseball/d...
Here's another set of Mantle, Mays and Snider forgeries. This set of forgeries comes with two Ebay Banned COAs.
Both CSC Collectibles and Nicholas Burczyk (who never examined a sports autograph) are on Ebay's Banned COA list.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTLE-WILLIE-MAYS-DUKE-SNIDER-AUTOG...
Here's another "500 Homerun Club" set of forgeries with a COA from Chris Morales who is on Ebay's Banned COA List. Morales probably authenticated (cough, cough) hundreds of these forgeries.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200803325099...
with a photo like this, can you do anything to have it reexamined so that an Official COA can be issued if it is real?
even though; This listing (200803325099) has been removed an owner can submit for evaluation to either PSA/DNA, JSA or GA who are noted on EBAYs reputable autograph authenticators. There have been lots of debate on GA accuracy of late on certain items throughout these threads but GA is on the reputable autograph authenticator list.
there are also other good independent authenticators as well.
Incidently, to date; Williams has typically been on target.
Here's another Mickey Mantle forgery with a COA from Stat Authentic (Ted Taylor). As we all know, the Stat Authentic COA is on Ebay's Banned COA List.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTLE-AUTOGRAPHED-HALL-OF-FAME-HERO...
Two more sets of Mantle/Williams and Mantle/Ford forgeries. These forgeries, of course, have been produced in the thousands. Both of these are being sold by the same Ebay seller. COA from Chris Morales (on Ebay's Banned COA List) and YMC Sports.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ted-Williams-Mickey-Mantle-autographed-pict...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantle-Whitey-Ford-autographed-pictu...
Check out these Mickey Mantle/Roger Maris forgeries. The first thing you have to ask yourself is "Who is their right mind would sell an authentic set of Mantle/Maris autographs for only $249.00 or Best Offer?" The COA is from FDS. As we all know, FDS (Forensic Document Services) is on Ebay's Banned COA list.
These are a ugly set of forgeries.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantle-Roger-Maris-Dual-Signed-Color...
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