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Permalink Reply by Steve on March 31, 2013 at 6:52pm

John,

Your comment is completely backwards. If someone isn't there to see it, it is their responsibility to make an assumption. That is the whole basis for what we come here for. As we say so many times, the only way to know for sure if something is real is to witness it yourself. If that is not the case, then you have to make an assumption.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 31, 2013 at 4:58pm

I don't know what company arranged the Pacino private signings, but they have had at least two, witnessed by PSA/DNA, probably at Pacino's Beverly Hills home. The autographs are full signatures (or reasonably full at least), far superior to the illegible circle or scribble he signs on the street. The ones I saw were easily worth several times his street signature.

I don't know if the company that arranged the signings is one of the retailers or if they're only selling them wholesale to retailers like Mounted Memories. I heard that other scarce A-List signers are coming, if not already out. Don't know who, tho.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on March 31, 2013 at 5:02pm

Thanks again Steve.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on March 31, 2013 at 5:05pm

Your right Steve. I am not questioning the Pacino's. There is no question they are good. They are much better than the ones I got here.

My question is the ITP signatures that some of these sellers have that you can tell are quick and rushed signatures from collecting in the street. How they are witnessed by PSA?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 31, 2013 at 6:06pm

I don't know how they do it specifically, but they must have someone there at the time or they couldn't cert them ITP. It doesn't take an authenticator to witness a signing. Just a representative of the company. But this is a question for PSA.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on March 31, 2013 at 6:15pm

Maybe they "deputise" them somehow.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on March 31, 2013 at 6:22pm

LOL....thats funny..

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Permalink Reply by Jerome Turner on March 31, 2013 at 6:27pm

Most PSA "authenticators" go for autographs in person themselves.  Most of these ITP signatures that were obtained on the street that are on ebay are friends of them who they collect with and have seen the items signed while going for the person with them.

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Permalink Reply by Steve on March 31, 2013 at 7:00pm

So really, we are trusting a representative of PSA, not an authenticator, and hope that they are trustworthy. If the rep sees photo's being signed, do they affix the PSA sticker right there or are the photo's sent to PSA after the fact. If it is after the fact, then I would have a real issue as we have no idea what can happen between the signing and when it gets sent in, even if local. If Pacino signs a squiggle and it is witnesses, it is too easy to duplicate it after the fact. Does the witness/rep keep track of what everyone got? I'm really curious on this and wish PSA would be more transparent on the process.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 31, 2013 at 8:14pm

Steve,

There would have to be a streamlined system for receiving them. What if the employee put the signed photos together in large envelopes for each submittor and took them back to the facility for processing? That makes sense, as it would take them out of the collector's control. These are rarely expensive autographs, so even if the employee took them home overnight the risk would be pretty small. But again, I don't know how it works.

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Permalink Reply by Steve on March 31, 2013 at 8:35pm

You bring up a good point. If the rep collects the photo's and takes them with him/her, then that would also be a different story. There is also a big difference between an ITP PSA authentication from a paid sit down signing where they are present and a ITP PSA authentication from a group that is out on the street. One you have complete control over, and they other you do not.

I'm also wondering about these companies that give both PSA and JSA large quantities of business. Here we have Press Pass bring in JSA to set up at a hotel on a few different Saturdays over the past few months, they are also doing an arrangement with PSA. Since they are the host, have a good relationship with these authenticators, I'm wondering if PSA or JSA push through many of the host's items since they are assumed to be trustworthy? I'm sure that Press Pass takes full advantage of the authentication company sitting there at their venue and most likely gives them their own item well before the public arrives.

I don't question a company who has a contract with an athlete/entertainer, or does a publicized signing, Mounted Memories, Steiner, UDA, etc. But I do question a small time outfit that piggybacks on someone else's signing and starts selling their goods claiming ITP.

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Permalink Reply by JXE on April 1, 2013 at 3:13am

"Claiming" ITP? They have the certs to prove it. This is like saying they claim to sell items on ebay. 

Their process for selling these has been as clear or clearer than some of the other sellers who got them. If you read the start of this thread, you'll see that people were in the dark for months with some of these sellers... Mounted Memories' own employees couldn't tell customers when this happened or when the items would be available for sale.

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