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Calling all Ronald Reagan Autograph Experts!!!!!!
R.R Auction has a Ronald Reagan Autographed SP in its Vintage Hollywood Collection.
The inscription and signature on that photo, needs a bit of examination by members of our autograph community who collect Reagan.
I would be interested in hearing thoughts on its provenance and authenticity........
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Herman
The 2011 RR Auction Reagan inscribed to Saul, does not match any of the Authentic Reagan Exemplars that are in the published studies of Bill White @ RR, John Reznikoffs University Archive Video on Authenticating Reagan or your published study on Reagan in the Pen & Quill.
It Doesn't match in the " To" based on the above studies and it Definately does not match in the Signature of Ronald Reagan based again on the above studies.
How can 3 very extensive studies not show the " To" variant as you like to call it, as well as show how the Reagan Signature on the Goodman does not match an Authentic Reagan Signature.
Herman...
Unless you were there with Saul, and saw Reagan autograph the Photo for him,
your comment to me "Bob, no matter what I say, you will continue to believe that the signed photo inscribed to Saul Goodman was not penned by Ronald Reagan, even though it was" is pretty silly. My beliefs are based on the studies I talked about above,
as well as authentic Reagans I have purchased in the past from Charles Hamilton, Mary Benjamin, Steve Raab and Ken Rendell
Autograph Collectors rely on verifiable published Studies, Like the Bill White Study on the RR Website, John Reznikoff's University Archives Video on Authenticating Reagan and Your own Study in Pen& Quill in order to make sure that the autograph they are considering for purchase is Authentic.
It is not an exact science, but its the best we have short of aquiring the signature ourselves in-person.
I have posted pictures of the "TO" from authentic Regan examples, that do not match the "TO" on the Goodman Pic.
You however have not as yet posted a picture from any other published study that matches the
'"Variant" as you like to call the " "To" on the Goodman picture.
Surely it must be out there, and with you working with John at University Archives, and the abundance of authentic Reagans in the files there, there has to be one you could post.
I look forward to seeing it.
Bob, you state that "unless you were there with Saul, and saw Reagan autograph the Photo for him," my comment that "no matter what I say, you will continue to believe that the signed photo inscribed to Saul Goodman was not penned by Reagan, even though it was" is pretty silly. It's not silly at all. Would you buy a George Washington autograph only from someone who saw George Washington sign it? I never saw a study of George Washington autographs but as far as deciding whether one is authentic, as the Honorable Potter Stewart, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, stated in an opinion, "I know it when I see it."
You then say that your "beliefs are based on the studies" you mentioned (University Archives video, Bill White's R&R study, my P&Q study) and that "Autograph Collectors rely on verifiable published Studies ... in order to make sure that the autographs they are considering for purchase are Authentic."
There are no studies that I am aware of on the signatures of Benjamin Franklin, Isaac Newton, Theodore Roosevelt, Greta Garbo, Charles de Gaulle, Marie Curie, or Josh Gibson to name seven of the hundreds of thousands of famous people whose autographs are collected.
So what is an Autograph Collector to do?
Buy from a reputable source, from an autograph dealer or company that guarantees the authenticity of what is sold. Buy from a seller or auction house that consults respected autograph experts if there is even the slightest doubt about authenticity. And beware of the self-proclaimed autograph expert who is alone in his attacks on the reputations of those in the autograph field who have earned their well-deserved international recongnition as experts, even going so far as to fabricate evidence to support his accusations.
Bob, u continue to raise good questions on this one. I am sure BL has been following this when he can and perhaps someone from the R&R gang can chime in as well as We of the Peanut Gallery would like to hear from some others.
At the end of the Day ~ the Peanut Gallery acknowledges that we may have disagreeing viewpoints....and thus the conclusion becomes inconclusive and the bidders run with caveat emptor. The good news is that at R&R you have some assurances.
Nonetheless ~ if authentic then the variation as "slight" as it might be are not inclusive of the studies that were originally pointed to and cited.
I have no opinion as to the authenticity of the Reagan ISP. I think both sides make valid points.
To me, the key takeaway is to avoid signatures that raise question marks. Even if it is authentic, who wants to have to defend or "explain" atypical items in their collection?
Sometimes, the baby does get thrown out with the bathwater.
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