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Ebay Seller Iconsandlegendscollectibles Mickey Mantle Ted Williams Autographed Baseball Forgery Sold For $255.00
Check out these ugly Mickey Mantle and Ted Williams forgeries that recently sold on Ebay.
These putrid-looking Mickey Mantle and Ted Williams forgeries on a baseball was listed and sold by Ebay seller Iconsandlegendscollectibles for $255.00.
These two Mickey Mantle & Ted Williams forgeries easily makes "The Ugliest Mickey Mantle/Ted Williams Forgeries That Sold On Ebay" this week.
Who in their right mind would bid on crap like this?
Ebay seller Iconsandlegendscollectibles writes "Will purchase back if it doesn't pass authentication."
We already know that both PSA and JSA would deem these Mickey Mantle & Ted Williams signatures forgeries.
Ebay continues, as they have for the past twenty years, to profit from the sales of forgeries.
Millions of dollars in the pockets of Ebay from the sales of forgeries.
Ebay sellers of forgeries know their forgeries will sell on Ebay because that's the primary site where wannabe autograph collectors purchase their forgeries.
Here is that set of Mickey Mantle and Ted Williams forgeries on a baseball sold by Ebay seller Iconsandlegendscollectibles for $255.00.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTHENTIC-MLB-RAWLING-SIGNED-2-AUTOGRAPHS-M...
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Permalink Reply by Jackie Gomez on
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WOW! First of all I was told by many to not list any autographs of Mantle and those from that era due to this type of thing. On my description it clearly stated if for any reason any authenticator calls it bad, I WOULD GIVE A FULL REFUND AND I DID! Before it was even shipped the customer sent a picture YES A PICTURE to PSA and I can copy and paste what he put on my message. PSA told him it was mostly likely not real. Really???? from a picture? That was no forensics. Anyway. I will contact the customer. Ask him to post on here that he never received the ball and he got a refund. FRAUD NO WAY!! because the ball never even got shipped and I refunded him as soon as he let me know that he would not be a satisfied customer. He was going by there decision after looking at the picture. That's exactly what I put in the description. If any authenticator calls it not real I will buy it back. This is why I don't get my memorabilia authenticated any longer and no longer in the business because you can't win if your not PSA. Bottom line my items are real. All of my memorabilia mostly Denver Broncos was signed in the presence. People will lose alot of money buying these old school balls unless they have a connection to PSA. Doesn't matter if they are real are not. Unless I would of listed it at 1k then maybe they would of said for the customer to send it to them and not go by a photograph that' s almost hiliarious mhmmm I'm no idiot. Sorry for the run on here but this is really annoying and now I see why I keep my old stuff and focus on the new. It's not worth all this.
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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on
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These are obvious and ugly forgeries.
Your forensics comment is a bad joke.
Both Drew Max and Chris Morales are so-called forensic investigators and yet they've "authenticated" thousands of forgeries.
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Chris because you are who? A dude who stalks ebay and there customers. Yea the guy told me you messaged him WOW you have no life! He said he was weirded out by your messages but still wanted to do business with me bahahahha jokes on you fool... Go get a job and a life.
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Chris,
get a life... life is short
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Hi Jackie,
Are you the Jackie Gomez that is one of the founders of Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators (GFA)? You look very much like her.
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Wow, good eye, Steve.
I should have mentioned GFA with Drew Max and Chris Morales.
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Mr. Williams since your are on this site proclaiming your expertise on Mantle and Williams signatures can you please let me know what type training you have had that makes you an expert. Did you study in college? Did you or do you have ongoing study in handwriting analysis? You said in your statement that what was up on eBay was fraud. Can you articulate exactly what is wrong with the autograph's of Williams and Mantle and can you supply the pictures of the exemplars you used in your analysis on this site? Is it fraud when I guaranteed a full refund of the item if it did not pass authentication? It did not pass a visual inspection and a full refund was issued.
Mr. Williams is PSADNA or PSA infallible? Obviously not. Is it fraud when one of their items are sold and it is not genuine? In fact isn't the Holy Grail of the sports collectibles hobby the T206 Honus Wagner card that was graded by PSA as a Near Mint-Mint 8? Didn't Bill Mastro the original submitter of this card admit in Federal Court that that he indeed trimmed the card before he sent it to PSA? Don't you think that an authentication company should take extreme care in making sure the most important piece of memorabilia in the sports collectibles hobby is genuine and not altered? Does the gentlemen that purchased the card for over 3 million dollars owed a refund by PSA? If not is that fraud? I refunded the customer for the baseball that was dismissed by a photograph by the same company that missed the trimming on the Honus Wagner card. Does this gentlemen deserve the same treatment by PSA? Also isn't PSA/DNA the same company that was sued by Bill MIller a former authenticator of theirs for using his name on Letter's of Authenticity for items that were not examined by him? Isn't that fraud Mr. Williams?
Isn't Autograph Live Magazine owned by Mr. Steve Cyrkin the same gentlemen that was one of the original owners of PCGS the parent company of PSA and PSA/DNA? Doesn't Mr. Steve Cyrkin currently work for that same PCGS. I find it ironic that a collectibles magazine is owned by one of the original owners of PSA and PSA/DNA and tries to imply that it is an impartial magazine when it comes to its opinions. Obviously, the relationship between Autograph LIve Magazine and PSA and PSA/DNA is incestous. Fraud is when you know something is wrong and continue to do the wrong thing. I refunded my customer and will continue to offer a complete money back guarantee for any autograph I choose to sell. I can't say the same is true for PSA or PSA/DNA.
Mr. Williams 99% of the autographs I have in inventory were signed at shows that I attended as a sports fan over the years. When I started collecting there wasn't authentication. I have now decided to sell some of my collection and non authentication does it mean it isn't real just as authentication doesn't mean it is. I wonder Mr. Williams if I sell an autograph that I personally witnessed being signed at a sports card show and it is declined by PSA/DNA who is being defrauded? Wouldn't that be me and customer that purchased the item. Who loses money in this situation? Not PSA/DNA they collected a fee for the wrong opinion. The harm was to me and to my customer.
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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on
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This has nothing to do with PSA or any other authenticator. Those signatures are obvious forgeries.
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send me your forensic documents please
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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on
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Same old tired excuse from someone exposed. Its really not worth even replying too.
It sounds like Jackie has been snooping around the autograph news live crowd. Same old tired stuff when Steve gets involved. Always trying to bring us PSA or some other garbage like that, when you know good and well that Cyrkin was never involved with PSA.
And GFA??????????LOL. Hey Jackie, why dont you do a search of this forum, or google in general, and read what people think of GFA's authentication.
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We don't know for sure if she's Jackie Gomez of GFA. I just asked, and hopefully Jackie will answer.
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I know, Steve, but still a good observation.
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