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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on February 12, 2018 at 9:23am

There are hundreds of kitchen-table forgers on Ebay who fly under the radar.  Very easy to make a $200.00 a week as a kitchen-table forger.

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Permalink Reply by Woody2Shoes on February 12, 2018 at 4:11pm

Aim small, miss small.

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Permalink Reply by phillysportsshop on February 24, 2018 at 1:13pm

He has moved up to triple signed photos.   When was the last time you saw a triple signed card that was at the exact same angle.

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Permalink Reply by phillysportsshop on March 14, 2018 at 2:49pm

This card sold for $333.00

eBay item number:

122988084439

Look at the Y in Yaz and the A in Al.  

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Permalink Reply by Dan M. on March 27, 2018 at 7:18pm

Sickening.  At this point though, if you Google "lock-em-up-bob" these forums are the first thing that comes up under his username.  The winning bidder of that $333 monstrosity merely had to do minimum research to see all the bad stuff that comes up when you Google him.

I do hope law enforcement will eventually catch up to this guy.  

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Permalink Reply by 0daqnwz731p09 on March 28, 2018 at 6:16am

So Ozzie Smith doesn't do his "O" like that?  Do you know every single Ozzie Smith signature variation?  This seems like amateur authentication. 

Without a video of Ozzie Smith signing that exact card (if you trust it's the same card), no one -- READ: NO ONE - will ever know if Ozzie Smith ever held that card in his hand and signed it, or if it was Bob in his underwear.

You are buying signed cards with no clear provenance.  There is no such thing as "authentic".  You don't know if Ozzie Smith signed that card with one hand in an airport tunnel, or hanging over a railway outside of the dugout.

PSA/DNA is just pseduo-graphology to generate revenue.  They're guessing like everyone else.  Believing otherwise is delusional.

When you buy signed cards, you're buying one with a signature that looks as close to the widely accepted exemplar.  You're buying the look of the signature.  If Bob in his underwear hits the signature dead on, you'll buy it.  And you'll think it's real.  Does it matter if Bob signed it?  No, because you think it's real and you're happy. 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on March 28, 2018 at 12:50pm

Appleton: Your bio indicates you are a "professional authenticator."

Who are you?

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Duncan on March 28, 2018 at 7:34am

APPLETON, that is one of the, if not THEE, clearest and most defined responses that I have ever read regarding what all but sums up 99% of the authentication industry.

The only TRUE definition of "authentic" is to the person who had something signed in person. To everyone else, and including the in person's own mother, its all opinion/s thereafter.

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Permalink Reply by Woody2Shoes on March 28, 2018 at 11:50am

The main problem being that not all signatures are signed with the athlete or star seated at a table, the medium and signor optimally positioned to produce a carefully executed autograph in an unrushed manner. I know a lot of sports autograph collectors whose majority of signatures were collected with the player on the fly. In motion. Like many I've gotten outside stadiums, at hotels, at airports, in lounges, etc., etc. Signed in an awkward position, unsupported by a sturdy platform, in a "let me get this out of the way ASAP" manner. As a youth, I've gotten signatures outside of and in hotel lobbies that I've looked at after being signed that I would never think was authentic unless I had seen it signed. Some of these authentic signatures were submitted by me and OKed by the major grading services and some weren't. Hand signed, right in front of me. A PSA or JSA thumbs down! A three for six outcome that should have been 6 for 6. Two by the same superstar player gotten at two different times!

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Duncan on March 28, 2018 at 1:09pm

Ozzy Osbourne, even at his book signing at Book Soup, was signing books while looking up talking to people and "posing for photographs".  I saw at least 5 books that he never looked at while signing.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on March 28, 2018 at 1:21pm

I'm not clear on the point of the last few posts.

• One person states that "authenticators are just guessing and no one really knows if anything is real"
• Others state that "authenticators failed sloppy signatures and sometimes people sign items without even looking."

What is the takeaway? All authenticity opinions are worthless? 

Are you defending this seller highlighted in this thread?

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Permalink Reply by 0daqnwz731p09 on March 28, 2018 at 1:40pm

They're worthless on these dime a dozen baseball cards.

It's total naiveté to think that you can "see" patterns in these scribbles and tell a forgery from a genuine signature.  

People have forged entire 18th century manuscripts with quill pens that experts still can't agree on whether it's real or not.

Rickey Henderson with a blue sharpie?  That sounds impossible.  /sarcasm.

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