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Permalink Reply by Mike T on May 22, 2015 at 9:27pm

It's not, they guessed based on who submitted it. Unfortunately that's all you get from Al these days.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Adkins on May 23, 2015 at 4:37am

Thank you Mike, I've raised this issue before. If it's not a recognizable signature (just a couple of marks), I believe the "reputable" 3PAs should leave them alone. In my opinion, it weakens PSA's credibility on their other authentications. Does a PSA COA with this photo increase it's value? Could you find a buyer for just a couple of scribbles? SMH.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on May 23, 2015 at 5:26am

Unfortunately it does increase its value as his sig is so bad unless you see it signed you couldn't possibly know for sure.  Someone will buy it because of the sticker. Any authenticater who passes this should be ashamed and fired.  Any of us could create the same signature, its got to come from a Presspass type or another buddy.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Adkins on May 23, 2015 at 5:53am

Ian, that's what depresses me. I have many items in my collection with a PSA COA, but if the issue COAs for sigs like this Pacino, will the collecting community see this as a "cheapening" of the PSA COA and will they ultimately lose their worth? It concerns me how 3PAs will go in detail to tell you how they verify a signature (exemplars, slant of the pen, age of the ink, etc....) and then they throw a COA on a scribble? Do they even look at the other items they're verifying?

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Permalink Reply by Carlos on May 23, 2015 at 12:32pm

I think they should explain the situation and say they can't render an opinion. They shouldn't say authentic just because of the seller or not-genuine when they don't know

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Permalink Reply by Mike Adkins on May 23, 2015 at 12:39pm

Carlos, I agree. Are they contributing to their own demise? If COAs can be issued for scribbles will collectors start to doubt any of PSA COAs?

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Permalink Reply by Mike White on May 23, 2015 at 4:37pm

"Start to doubt"?

Why do collectors trust them in the first place?

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Permalink Reply by Mike Adkins on May 23, 2015 at 4:45pm

Good point, Mike. I'm learning from this site that the collector has to be their own 3PA, but the sad truth is that there are other collectors that will pay more for your autograph if it has JSA or PSA COA. I've even heard collectors say they would not buy an autograph without a COA from one of those companies. I have several PSA authenticated items but the bulk of my collection is composed of autographs that I did the homework on, and considered authentic.

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Permalink Reply by Tony Avery on May 24, 2015 at 4:32am

Pacino is doing some kind of talk show tour in the UK and there is a company in the UK that done a private signing with Pacino in Leeds, I believe 75 photos got signed, the best signatures I have seen for a long time,
Nothing like the ones that are got on the street.

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Permalink Reply by Xwiesy on May 24, 2015 at 6:21am

Mike White-Why do you care so much that people trust the good guys in the equation?

They give the public a fighting chance. A good thing.

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Permalink Reply by David K on May 26, 2015 at 7:30pm

I got Pacino in person..as he does sign..and unfortuantely the :in person" graphs are mostly bad.you get AL.. you arent getting a full signature...so PSA is probably basing this o nthe reputation of the sender and te fact that is how AL signs when rushed and hacving to sign multiples. This is probably a real signature but YES, how PSA can issue a COA on this scribble is highly suspect of their reputation. There are very good Pacino's for sale done through a few private signings. One for a Scarface Die cast car. Scarface Poster (NO michelle Pfeiffer of course).. but that AL above is what he gives out these days as there are just too many people asking.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Adkins on May 26, 2015 at 7:40pm

David, these types of signatures will ultimately make them almost worthless. The one you obtained in person, obviously is valuable to you, but if you attempt to sign a photo with a scribble you won't find many (if any) buyers. I followed this item, with the PSA COA, on Ebay and the seller couldn't get an opening bid of 45.00 for a 11x14 photo. Pacino, on a 11x14, in authentic form not worth 45.00? But he's not the only contemporary celeb who signs this way.

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