Authenticity is Everything
Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
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You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
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****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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****WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION****
“Signed” copies of Liza Minelli’s new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, actually include autopen signatures.
Multiple signatures appear to share identical geometry in specific segments when overlaid.
Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures:
Check out these videos of various overlays, mostly from signatures submitted here on the forum:
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath.
That signature matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Greg Scott
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Here’s my copy from Premiere.
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IMG_9939.jpeg, 1.3 MB
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Thank you, Greg, I’ve added yours into my collection and will continue looking for anything suspicious on those.
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That's the first example I've seen where the first L (in love) actually curves upwards after the completion of the bottom loop. Hmmmm....
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Thanks JJ.Yeah Knob Dylan, I had just noticed the same thing. I’ve done a few comparisons on Premiere that overlap at multiple points (in a way that would not appear to be a coincidence), but that part is different on that one.
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I wonder when Greg's book was very first mailed? The autopen/secretarial /secret voodoo(???) discussion was in full swing and public knowledge by Wednesday, March 11th. It's probably nothing but I still wouldn't put anything past Premiere. Sorry, too many shenanigans throughout their past.
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I received a shipping notification on 3/3 and received the book on 3/10, so it was before the autopen discussion was in full swing.
Thanks to Matt and others for your work on this!
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Gotcha. Premiere was ahead of schedule. From their website "This is a pre-order product. Please allow 1-2 weeks of handling time after the 03/10/2026 release for the author to sign the books." That also doesn't include the additional 1-2 weeks for their $12 JSA certification, which I'd really like to see some of those if anyone actually paid for it. Thnx Greg.
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Matt - Here is mine from PC that arrived on the 10th. I think I was the first bookplate before anyone else posted across the internet/ebay.. at least for a few days.
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Still working on Premiere but may pick back up tomorrow.
For now, I’ll just repost this one (These are two that I’ve used and shown before).
These are two different autographs shown in overlay:
Slight adjustment in orientation to get this (still using same autographs):
Any points that may not line up exactly are not as concerning as how much of it does overlay.
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If it's useful, here's mine from an independent retainer in the UK. I also have a couple more coming that I bought for gifts, which I'm kinda annoyed about if they are not genuine!
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PXL_20260315_155840215.jpg, 2.6 MB
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Hachette are giving UK bookshops assurances that the books are genuinely signed.
I'm still raising an eyebrow...
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