****This topic (and the forum) have gained media attention. Please see this article for more information:
 

https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...

****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.

You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).

Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.

Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.

****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****


Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.

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  • Collectors have identified repeatable signature patterns across multiple copies of Liza Minnelli’s signed memoir.

  • Overlay analysis reveals identical geometry and spacing in specific segments, an outcome not consistent with natural handwriting. 

  • There’s a growing view on this forum that this reflects a repeatable mechanical process, potentially involving advanced autopen use built from older verified signatures.

  • Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.

  • There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.

  • UPDATE 4/1/26: JSA has classified the book signatures as "inconclusive," meaning they are unable to definitively confirm or deny the authenticity of the signature.

 ⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures 



Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.

Overlay Video 1 ▶️

Note how “Liza” matches up 

Overlay Video 2 ▶️

-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly

-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well 

-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.

Overlay Video 3 ▶️

Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one

-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well


Overlay Video 4 ▶️

Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance. 

Overlay Video 5 ▶️

Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person

Overlay Video 6 ▶️

Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift

Overlay Video 7 ▶️

Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps

Overlay Video 8 ▶️

Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.

Overlay Video 9 ▶️

Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.

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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.


Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.

Example: 

First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”: 



Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line: 

Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line: 



Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma): 

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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):



The signature from the book cover above matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s: 

What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:

Book cover Overlay ▶️

(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)

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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***

  • Multiple members of this forum have observed indications that a modern, high-volume autopen system may be involved. One example is the UUNA TEK iAuto Premium, which demonstrates the level of precision and consistency seen with the Liza signatures. According to Steve Cyrkin, the founder of Autograph Live, the results appear consistent with this type of technology. A higher-volume model such as the Ultimate could also be capable, as the underlying signing mechanism appears similar, according to Steve.

  • Additionally, members on the forum have observed evidence suggesting the use of multiple marker types: some signatures appear consistent with a standard medium-point Sharpie-style marker, while others show characteristics of a chisel-point tip. Variations in stroke width within a single line (such as tapered sections in circular elements like the face) support this, as pointed out by Steve Cyrkin. 

  • Demonstration videos of the UUNA TEK iAuto show that not only the pen moves, but the paper itself shifts in short, controlled motions during signing. As has been noted by members of the forum, this could help explain the consistent geometry and repeatable structure observed across multiple signatures.

Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:

https://youtu.be/pROf6q-9POU

A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...

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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...

Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You

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Checking in  Matt M. , thank you for the Broadwayworld forum link.

Yep, they smelled something to be off too.

The consensus is that Liza used AI to "read" her audiobook version.

Though she denies it.

More and more forums and fans are concurring that the "autographs" are autopens.

I thought this guy TheatreFan4 nailed the current state of affairs with all things Liza and

what michelle and all of us are feeling right now: (click on the image and it should read properly)

If anyone out there has placed an order for this with JSA authentication and you are still waiting for your package, could you let us know here? Premiere states to add 1 to 2 weeks if JSA is ordered so I believe orders for this may still be processing. Please let us know the status of your order if you can. Also let us know if premiere decides to cancel your order entirely 

Here’s my copy from Premiere.

Attachments: No photo uploads here

Thank you, Greg, I’ve added yours into my collection and will continue looking for anything suspicious on those. 

That's the first example I've seen where the first L (in love) actually curves upwards after the completion of the bottom loop. Hmmmm.... 


Thanks JJ.

Yeah Knob Dylan, I had just noticed the same thing. I’ve done a few comparisons on Premiere that overlap at multiple points (in a way that would not appear to be a coincidence), but that part is different on that one. 

I wonder when Greg's book was very first mailed? The autopen/secretarial /secret voodoo(???) discussion was in full swing and public knowledge by Wednesday, March 11th. It's probably nothing but I still wouldn't put anything past Premiere. Sorry, too many shenanigans throughout their past. 

I received a shipping notification on 3/3 and received the book on 3/10, so it was before the autopen discussion was in full swing.

Thanks to Matt and others for your work on this!

Gotcha. Premiere was ahead of schedule. From their website "This is a pre-order product. Please allow 1-2 weeks of handling time after the 03/10/2026 release for the author to sign the books." That also doesn't include the additional 1-2 weeks for their $12 JSA certification, which I'd really like to see some of those if anyone actually paid for it. Thnx Greg. 

Matt - Here is mine from PC that arrived on the 10th. I think I was the first bookplate before anyone else posted across the internet/ebay.. at least for a few days. 

Thanks Johnny, good to know. I’ve added this into the mix. 

Still working on Premiere but may pick back up tomorrow. 

For now, I’ll just repost this one (These are two that I’ve used and shown before). 

These are two different autographs shown in overlay:

Love overlap

Slight adjustment in orientation to get this (still using same autographs):

Liza overlap


Any points that may not line up exactly are not as concerning as how much of it does overlay. 

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