Authenticity is Everything
Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
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WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION
“Signed” copies of Liza Minelli’s new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, actually include autopen signatures.
Multiple signatures appear to share identical geometry in specific segments when overlaid.
—Still shot from video of two signatures being overlaid:
You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.
Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath.
That signature appears to match a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that the signature pattern in the autographed books seems very close to that same example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Thank you Jason and JJ, you guys have both been a lot of help to me behind the scenes and I can’t thank you enough.
I just want to take a moment to acknowledge the level of response this topic has gotten. It’s pretty clear that people are interested in whether the signatures are real or not.
I shared what I noticed when I started comparing some of the signatures on my own, with my own copy and with a few that had landed on eBay. That was actually a week ago tonight, when my copy arrived.
I researched the subject and waited for the topic to be brought up here by others. I decided to share what I had found.
If others see the same concerns, or if they don’t, that’s completely fine. Hopefully we can all keep looking at the evidence together and work toward a better understanding of what we’re seeing.
Also, I want to acknowledge that the overlays I’ve been posting are just a basic visual tool I’ve been using to compare shapes and spacing. They’re not meant to be precise measurements or a definitive method of authentication…..just a way to highlight patterns that caught my attention.I don’t think that’s unreasonable, and I understand people may have differing perspectives or ways of explaining what we’re seeing.
Ultimately, the best way to evaluate this will probably be with high-resolution images and, ideally, the opinion of a professional authenticator who can examine the signatures carefully (or even in person if that’s possible). I’m certainly open to that, and I’m interested to see what comes out of it.
MMODD lol - thanks JJ.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin
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Agreed, Matt is GREAT. He's doing a top-notch, very important job here. The Overlay Device needs to be patented quickly.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo
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+100
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OK "KIDS",
LET'S PLAY THE LIZA MINNELLI BOOK VERSION "LET'S MAKE A DEAL"
CHOOSE AN OPINION DOOR:DOOR #1, Stroke victim Liza at 80 years old and largely confined to her wheelchair, still managed to signthousands of beautiful plum perfect autographs for her fans. Pay no attention to some exactmatching overlaying parts and spacing between different exemplars.(This echoes what was said in her mom's the Wizard of Oz,"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!")DOOR #2. Liza and her team has big brass balls, and were devil may care stupid enough,to emboss the cover of her book with an actual template sample. They were alsocareless enough to use a 1990's Liza autograph sample to build the multiple varyingtemplate puzzle pieces, to cut, paste and finally feed into the Advanced Autopen machine.(I mean she used AI on her last music single, and it's already concurred that Liza "read" her audiobookusing an AI generated voice drawn from her 1980s and 1990s speaking voice).DOOR #3. VeriMarx seems to like all of these Liza "autographs" and we now should all just trust in AI,(because Machines evaluating other Machines is okay and not dangerous to the Hobbyor Authentication process. I mean what could go wrong?) "Open the Podbay door Hal"I'll take Door #2 for the win!JJ
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WOW! I just searched "Liza signed Kids Wait Til You Hear This" book on Google and all this came up:
"Based on discussions among collectors and fans, there are strong suspicions and reported observations that autopen machines may have been used for some signed copies of Liza Minnelli's 2026 memoir,Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!, rather than hand-signatures.Key Details Regarding the Suspicion:- Identical Signatures: Collectors have noted that multiple signed books appear to have identical signatures, a hallmark of autopen use.
- Signature Characteristics: Observers mentioned seeing signature patterns that suggest machine-produced, consistent pressure rather than natural human movement.
- Physical Considerations: Given her age and physical frailties—she has reportedly been in a wheelchair and dealing with health issues—many fans expressed skepticism that she could personally sign the large volume of books sold, with some suggesting a "hidden" team or machine was used.
- Conflicting Reports: While some fans are suspicious, others have claimed they have seen video evidence of her signing in person.
Contextual Information:- The Memoir: Kids, Wait Till You Hear This! was released in March 2026 by Grand Central Publishing.
- AI Usage: It has been confirmed that AI was used for the narration of the audiobook version of this memoir.
- Other Potential Frauds: Some collectors have mentioned that "tipped-in" signed pages (pages signed separately and then bound into the book) often make it easier for publishers to use autopens instead of having the author sign."
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Permalink Reply by Jason H
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They may have picked up replies I've been posting to specific individuals comments related to Liza. I've been making the rounds on previous posts. Waiting for them to be deleted but I have gotten some responses. People are seeing my links specifically to this discussion. I'll keep it up when I have time.
(PS, talkshoplive, you're next if I don't get my refund for Hillary Duff)
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Permalink Reply by Knob Dylan
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JJ, Wait Till You See This! I decided to take a picture of myself after staring at these Liza Autopens for the past 7 days straight. The good news is, I've decreased my biological age by over 35 years. The bad news is, I'm pretty tuckered out and could really use a cup of pudding and a nap...
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Knob Dylan LMAO !!! me too
jj
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Lol, I hear you on that. Thanks to both of you for your help on this.
****I encourage everyone to send their examples to Steve as he requested on the prior page:
-High-resolution images (3,000+ pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and face separately, as close as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format.
You can visit his profile by clicking his profile picture, then select Send A Message.
Greatly appreciate your help, Steve.
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Thanks, Matt. And not JPGs because they degrade image details.
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