Authenticity is Everything
Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****This topic (and the forum) have gained media attention. Please see this article for more information:
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****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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- Collectors have identified repeatable signature patterns across multiple copies of Liza Minnelli’s signed memoir.
- Overlay analysis reveals identical geometry and spacing in specific segments, an outcome not consistent with natural handwriting.
- There’s a growing view on this forum that this reflects a repeatable mechanical process, potentially involving advanced autopen use built from older verified signatures.
Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.
There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.
UPDATE 4/1/26: JSA has classified the book signatures as "inconclusive," meaning they are unable to definitively confirm or deny the authenticity of the signature.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
The signature from the book cover above matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***
- Multiple members of this forum have observed indications that a modern, high-volume autopen system may be involved. One example is the UUNA TEK iAuto Premium, which demonstrates the level of precision and consistency seen with the Liza signatures. According to Steve Cyrkin, the founder of Autograph Live, the results appear consistent with this type of technology. A higher-volume model such as the Ultimate could also be capable, as the underlying signing mechanism appears similar, according to Steve.
- Additionally, members on the forum have observed evidence suggesting the use of multiple marker types: some signatures appear consistent with a standard medium-point Sharpie-style marker, while others show characteristics of a chisel-point tip. Variations in stroke width within a single line (such as tapered sections in circular elements like the face) support this, as pointed out by Steve Cyrkin.
- Demonstration videos of the UUNA TEK iAuto show that not only the pen moves, but the paper itself shifts in short, controlled motions during signing. As has been noted by members of the forum, this could help explain the consistent geometry and repeatable structure observed across multiple signatures.
Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES on
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Yep, it's the carbon copy "ove" in Love that keeps appearing.
And that damn carbon copy "Z".
Steve Cyrkin, Admin Pretty sure the "ove" in Mikhell would match Frank Garcias?
Can we check that out please Matt M..
JJ
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Permalink Reply by Mikhell on
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I have noticed that Z when I first received them.
But the delivery, strength, angles of the pen seem to be different. The strokes aren't the same.
For the first time I remain confused.
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Permalink Reply by Matt M. on
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Totally agree, some of the angles and flow seem off between this two but the exact placement and close overlapping where it exists is what gets me. Also confused.
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"But I don’t see how they overlap exactly with the exact same spacing as I have shown in some of my examples."
Precisely Matt M. NO WAY you get overlaps that exactly fit over one another like puzzle pieces, AND also have the exact same spacing!
Jason H I just picked up my 2 Liza's from Indigo and will post them asap to build our exemplar databank.
I said to the employee "These are probably coming right back to you for return".
She said, "You have 30 days".
I replied "Give me 3o hours!"
JJ
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Lol. Thanks Jimmy, I appreciate it and will be glad to see what we find with your examples when you can post.
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Sorry, but I continue to subsribe to the Matt M. school of thinking:
"Any points that may not line up exactly are not as concerning as how much of it does overlay."
The mission statement of this whole forum is Authenticity is Everything.
It's NOT Matt's opinion, it's Fact and Proof that Matt M has shown concrete examples of overlaying components among different exemplars.
Yes in Frank's two exemplars it is only a small piece of "ove" that repeats BUT
it remains concerning that it does exactly overlay.
Liza is 80, she used AI on her latest music single.
Liza denied using AI to "read" her audiobook, but the wide consensus is to the contrary.
I totally believe Liza used an Advanced version Autopen with Multiple Templates to sign some/many/all of these books, and this will come out in due time.
The Big 3 Legit Authenticators will probably fail many of these or not even touch them.
This whole debacle stinks...akin to the Bob Dylan Book/Art fraud.
At first everybody was in disbelief, and Bob himself, Publishers and Art houses denied any wrongdoing.
That didn't age well, and neither will Liza's situation.
JJ
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Permalink Reply by michelle on
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We need a tame stroke specialist who would see his/her involvement as a fun diversion from medicine. Could someone who has suffered a minor stroke and who is nearly 80 write so many sigs? its medically impossible. Probably a silly idea but .................
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Hi michelle, your points about her having had a stroke and being nearly 80 are valid.
We all saw her hands shaking so bad while seated in the deluxe wheelchair at the GLAAD awards.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i4ntgliZwWg
Like soooo many have said on The Broadway Forum, Facebook, Reddit and here:
1. She used AI for her hit single.
2. Liza claimed to have read her audiobook version herself, but this has proved false.
Her "voice" is clearly AI generated.
3. Liza stated in September 2025 (seven months before her book release) that she was NOT going to use autopen and sign all the books herself because she "loved her fans so much". Funny thing was NOBODY in the press had even mentioned autopen to her...SO why bring up and deny something that hadn't even happened yet?
Overlaying puzzle pieces of multiple templates,
Exactly spaced apart as Matt M. has shown is just NOT indicative of a Genuine "autograph".
JJ
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Okay Matt M. ,
The moment I've been waiting for.
Here are my 2 Liza's from Indigo Canada.
I would appreciate it very much if you would kindly examine each using your forensic overaly magic:
(herein and from this day forward to be known as the
"Matt Magical Overlay Fraud DetectionTechnique" c.2026
or MMOFDT for short) !!! Thank you, JJ
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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Those exhibit some variation but...
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