****This topic (and the forum) have gained media attention. Please see these articles for more information:
https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/may/12/liza-minnelli-memoir-...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/liza-minnelli-fans-demand-refunds-ove...
https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Liza-Minnellis-Signed-Memoir-...
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****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.
There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.
UPDATE 4/1/26: JSA has classified the book signatures as "inconclusive," meaning they are unable to definitively confirm or deny the authenticity of the signature.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
The signature from the book cover above matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***
Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Those backs don't show signs of machine signing. Completely natural.
History for Sale has 42 Liza Minnelli signed items for sale, including contracts. Many are in marker. They range from the 1960s until probably 2008 or so. https://www.historyforsale.com/s/Liza%20Minnelli
They are honest and reliable. You may find secretarials from time to time, honestly missed, but they state they'll refund your money if they fail PSA/DNA, etc.
AND if people tell the dealer about pieces that they don't think are real that the dealer missed, they take it seriously and remove ones that don't check out. That may be why there are so few Jackie Gleason autographs.
Lovely, and starting to show the degradation Joyce Randolph met at older age.
1987 age 63:
November 2013 age 89:
2019 age 95(!):
Ah yes Eric Keith Longo,
The lovely Trixie Norton RIP on The Jackie Gleason Show.
Loved every episode of that growing up.
And yes, you can see the decline in her signature over time.
With Liza Minnelli, no such decline,
ALL sigs are magically plum and "peachy perfect" as Michelle said above.
JJ
That's another thing that bothers me about these Liza's michelle,
They are ALL, as you put it, "peachy perfect".
No way, they're real.
JJ
Steve there seems to be contradictions. you say there are machines out there which are more sophisticated than the one in the video I posted in the other discussion. I would love to see an example if you can provide one. are you saying that these new machines do not have variable pressures? I believe they would. This is why I am studying the backs, to see if there are any tell tale signs.
what I dont understand is, there are clearly pieces of signature with exact similarities between many that can not be replicated by human hand. It's obvious. Why would you defend franks so quickly? we are in the middle of research. This aspect seems very strange to me.
+1
A very big +1
Jason, I wasn't defending them. They look completely natural to me, and I felt strongly they were signed by Liza, or at least not by an autopen or a similar signing machine. They still look absolutely natural to me, but I'm not sure they're natural autographs, thanks to the last comparison of Matt's I saw.
Check out Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle autographs.
Some people are unusually consistent signers, some having even 90-ish% similar real autographs during sitdown signatures during the same time period, same health. Consistent characteristics.
Mickey Mantle and Babe Ruth are prime examples of that.
Ruth's was AMAZING. He'd sign baseballs in person for a group of fans and they almost looked identical. We have a magazine cover with Ruth sitting on a sofa and signing hundreds of balls.
Mantle, Joe DiMaggio and Ted Williams were all quite consistent during paid signings.
I wish I could add more to this. I no longer have "transparency/overlay" programs.
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