Weird Napoleon Buonaparte Autograph Cut-Opinion

Hello guys.

I just won the bid of this Napoleon signed cut at the last second at IAA Europe. But I just checked the description carefully and I was shocked that the  initial 'B' of Buonaparte is a facsimile. It means the other parts of the Buonaparte is live ink without the initial 'B'. I never saw an autograph like this before. I don't know whether I should consider this as a damaged signed cut or something like this. I am wondering the market price and the authentication of it. 

 What's your guys' Opinions? should I make the payment because of its low price or just deny it? Please Help me, I would appreciate it a lot if you can share your opinions. 

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Permalink Reply by X Karl on Thursday

Agree, Eric. I never saw any autographes like this before, this is totally beyond my recognition. I still wondering why this can be on auction. Thanks for your advice though.

Permalink Reply by michelle on Thursday

oh i have just found the price

Permalink Reply by X Karl on Thursday

Michelle, The price is € 750 without buyer's premium. I think it is quite cheap for a Napoleon autograph signed as Buonaparte(without any obvious damage). But as a autograph with parts being facsimile, I am not ok with this price now. 

Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on Thursday

I would follow Stepeanuts advice. This item looks a problem, to me.

Permalink Reply by michelle To Eric Keith Longo on Thursday

plus one

Permalink Reply by X Karl on Thursday

Thanks for your reply Eddy. I think the authenticity of the live ink part of the autograph is what I want to know now. You. This unusual repair make the autograph quite suspicious to me.

Permalink Reply by eddy To X Karl on Thursday

X Karl - 

I would think that the authenticity of the live ink part is the key here.  If it's real, seems like all is in order regarding the lot and it's presentation at the auction.  It is what it is and it seems like there was an honest cataloguing of it for the sale.   


I'd be in agreement with Steve C. on this.  I'm not sure that any major auction house honors "buyer's remorse" if the item cannot be proven to have been misrepresented.  Last summer I made a major purchase of a historical rarity from an online auction. I did a lot of personal authentication work on it after receiving it and consulted other hobbyists as well once I had it in hand (probably to their great consternation!).  I played devil's advocate with it until I was satisfied it was what it was represented as.  Maybe that's what you want to do here?   Get it in hand and do analysis and consultation?

I don't mean to be critical.  It's just how the bidding contracts work regarding successful bids.   Again, unless there has been misrepresentation which is another story entirely and any reputable auction house would seem to have an obligation to honor a return.

Permalink Reply by X Karl To eddy yesterday

Eddy, Thanks for your reply. I will not criticize the presentation of the auction house. I know what push me into such a situation is my carelessness, and I should take the most responsibility. I will contact the auction house directly, hope they can accept my request for stop this transaction, and I will take the aftermath if they ask me to pay the liquidated damages. 

Permalink Reply by Findbooks To eddy yesterday

Eddy,  this is true in the US but not within the European Union where consumer protection is more...protective. 

You have a 14-day "breathing" period during which you can return an item you have already received from the seller (dated from receipt) FOR ANY REASON, e.g. "I don't want it any more", "it doesn't match my curtains" etc,  OR you can disentangle yourself from a contractual commitment if it is internet-based.

All you need to say is - I hereby exercise my statutory right to withdraw from this transaction, or words to that effect. THAT - is the law.

Very irritating, I'm sure.

Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo To Findbooks yesterday

+1 I would be using this right now.

Permalink Reply by michelle To Findbooks yesterday

In hte UK  you certainly cannot return the item in this way.  Auction houses will not take it back unless you have 2 authenticators that they agree with saying that the item is non authnetic  .  I had this   when I  believed the item to be non authentic .  Some auction houses will threaten legal action if you  dont pay

Permalink Reply by Findbooks To michelle yesterday

Hi Michelle,

I am afraid to say that it does apply in the UK as well even though no longer a member of the EU. 

It sounds like you have been bullied into accepting that particular transaction. They can threaten all they like but they cannot do anything about you exercising your legal rights.

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