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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 30, 2016 at 11:20am

Mack,

Invaluable is not an auction house. It hosts auctions for auction houses and does not screen the listings for authenticity or anything else.

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Permalink Reply by Mack Lunch on November 30, 2016 at 2:44pm

So, get to the ones that are being hosted.  Why do you not Email Simon Parr while he has the suspected items and call him on them before he sells them to anyone? Do you not monitor these auctions for fraudulent activity?  No, you wait until the damage has been done and penalize the person on eBay or Craiglist who is trying to sell it for a profit?  I think your priorities are a little backwards and your magnanimous gestures flap in the wind!

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 30, 2016 at 3:19pm

Really?  Your a little backwards assuming that he's not already been spoken to.  MANY times.  Do you think he cares when he can find someone like you to buy them?   

Your anger is directed at the wrong folks.  Quit pointing fingers at us, when your the one who bought the items from him.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on November 30, 2016 at 3:26pm

Presumptuous might be a better word Wascher. ;)

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Permalink Reply by Mack Lunch on November 30, 2016 at 5:24pm

Who spoke to them and why did you not call him to task when he was with Invaluable, who could have applied pressure?  Where are his responses?  Again, I am new here and do not know.  Again, please do not assume that I own those items in question.  I just want to know why you deem items to be fake that came from what seems to be reputable sources.  If he had questionable items for sale, why did you not get at the source of his items, i.e., his consignors?

Furthermore, Lizzie, who is geographically closer to Simon Parr, why has she not, in her altruistic endeavors, taken Parr to task?  Certainly it is easier for her to get at him than us having to reach across the waters to get at him.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on November 30, 2016 at 5:38pm

This should give you an idea of what you're dealing with:

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/the-beatles-signed-p...

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Permalink Reply by Mack Lunch on November 30, 2016 at 7:39pm

Thanks for the info.  However, just because you may have been slipped a counterfeit twenty along with four genuine ones in exchange for a hundred, does not mean that they all are fakes, but rather should be closely examined.  In other words, Parr is not just selling fakes and to assume that they all are is a mistake and a disservice to them and to potential buyers.  I suspect that all auction houses come across forgeries and have sold them as well.  I suggest that you try and get provenance for items and try to catch the forgers and not just the ones commissioned to sell them.  I'm sure that most people would try to pass a phony twenty that they were slipped, rather than turn it in to the cops!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 30, 2016 at 9:12pm

Good point, Mack. That would be like refusing to eat a hamburger because the stand was owned by Jeffery Dahmer. 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on November 30, 2016 at 9:31pm

"I'm sure that most people would try to pass a phony twenty that they were slipped, rather than turn it in to the cops!"

Wow.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on November 30, 2016 at 9:40pm

Did you read the entire thread? He claimed to have pulled the fake set of Beatles signatures on his own after finding an identical set, but later offered a second fake set of the exact same printed signatures. What do you make of that?

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on November 30, 2016 at 10:01pm

Thanks for posting that link. I saw some of that, had seen it before from the name Simon - I skimmed the thread as it went where it looked to be heading pretty fast.

I think my response is "unsurprising".

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on December 1, 2016 at 2:54am

'I suggest that you try and get provenance for items and try to catch the forgers and not just the ones commissioned to sell them.'

Please don't assume that isn't being done...

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