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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on October 30, 2019 at 7:19pm

Hmmmm. I know what I thought I saw...to borrow a phrase...

Permalink Reply by Woody2Shoes on October 30, 2019 at 10:26am

Because there were scuffs already there when signed, the surface is changing under the pen tip. The edge of each scuff has it's own caldera, creating a change in the surface height so the telemetry of the pen us uneven as it writes over these textural surface changes, at the border of each scuff, the tip pulled into the trough where these chages in elevation occur. You can see this beautifully in the extra large image I posted.

In it, you can see how shaky the lines really are. Why? Twofold. First, it's forged. The signature is drawn. Second, the tip is being pulled into and deflected by the caldera of each scuff it proceeds over. In some spots, the forger actually backtracks to thicken the line that didn't take due to these textural changes between scuff and no scuff.

And regardless of how much anyone wants this to be real, it is what it is and the pictures and scuffs tell the story.

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Permalink Reply by Mr Mojo Risin on October 30, 2019 at 11:06am

This poor picture not help anyone and don't say nothing...  could be a real signature and real vinyl cover signed in the 1970? This is the lroblem... but sure i don't like this piece... 

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Permalink Reply by Woody2Shoes on October 30, 2019 at 11:38am

The poor picture is good enough to show that a scuffed off surface retains all of the ink. If signed before scuffed, the ink would be gone with the paper loss, not emboldened because it was written on the scuffed surface instead.

I'll wager $44,000 with anyone who cares to that any forensics lab in the world would determine that the ink was written over the scuffs.

The picture is more than good enough to show that. Forensics don't lie. The ink was written over that major abrasion where I enlarged the image.

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Permalink Reply by Gratefulphish on October 30, 2019 at 7:34pm

Based on the picture, I would tend to agree that the signature probably came after the wear. Back in the day, people stored stacks of albums horizontally, and pulled them out from there, which could easily accelerate the scuffing.  Same with a tightly packed vertical record crate or shelf.  I can't see it having been signed in "like new" condition, and then having the signature remain as it is with the amount of scuffing all around.

But, that begs the question of the autograph itself, which has its own oddities.  That, and the weakness in the overall quality of the signature, as well as the condition of the album, would have kept me far, far below what it sold for.  Far below.

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