Muhammad Ali Zurich 1971 signature

Can someone here tell me how rare is this kind of Ali signature? Its without Coa, but after the research i've realized its a real deal and i've read that he occasionally signed with that staylish M and A..

Beckett quick opinion after just 1h response: LIKELY to pass..

I got it for ridiculous price even tho i know its a big minus that is dedicated to someone else, but i like it even more because of the story behind it..

Tags: Ali, Cassius, Clay, Muhammad

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Permalink Reply by Owen Smith on December 31, 2021 at 4:12am

I've collected many Ali pieces over the years. This is good.

You can see this style on the link below on the excellent AliAuotos site.

https://www.aliautos.com/exemplars

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Permalink Reply by Agramovac on December 31, 2021 at 5:36am

This for info..

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This is the opinion from Aliautos so i will send there for full Coa..

Do you know aprox the value of this photo? Shawn Anderson said this is premium signature but i dont know what are they worth..

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on December 31, 2021 at 5:59am

My question - is it a vintage style as it appears or is it a rare form not coonfined to the early 70's? As I mentioned, RR Auction have 26 pages of Ali autograph auctions from 2008 to now. You don't need to be a member. If you look over all they have you might be able to determine what you want to know. It willl take time but that the fun of the hobby. You need more information related to this style, its use and its true value.

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Permalink Reply by Agramovac on December 31, 2021 at 6:37am

I just looked at RR auctions..

From 615 sold items this is the only 1 that is i would say almost identical to mine with those big loops on M and A

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and there were a couple of similar ones but with smaller loops (all on contracts)

Couldnt find any photo with this kind of signature..

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on December 31, 2021 at 6:42am

Perhaps it is his "contract" signature - I don't know. The one I posted I found in seconds. What you just posted unfirtunately has other big signers so it won't help in estalishing just how much premium this style commands. I'd never bid on something without a good idea of its value - especially a "specialty" item like this. It has much going for it.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on December 31, 2021 at 6:03am

I would value the opinion of Aliautos relating to the rarity and market value of this style

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on December 31, 2021 at 6:09am

I would too, but looking can't hurt to get an idea of just how much a premium this style commands. I'm sure Mr. Anderon's observations are correct but I'd want external info re value, especially as Agramovac has no idea.

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Permalink Reply by Owen Smith on December 31, 2021 at 8:43am

Very hard to say, I have never owned one in this style or from this era - early 70s.

The last Ali piece I sold a few weeks ago was for £370 signed in the Mid 90s with one of his regular verses.

You could try doing what many do and over-price it on Ebay to get an idea. Then you can gauge the interest - views, questions, offers ect...

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Permalink Reply by Agramovac on December 31, 2021 at 12:07pm

http://seve-astorg-us7h.squarespace.com/speci/muhammad-ali-rare-sig...

The more i search, the more i realize i found a gem.

I only have doubts sending it to Beckett or Aliautos?

I think with BAS it would be worth more..

What do you think guys?

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on December 31, 2021 at 12:15pm

A true collector will want certification from a dedicated specialist in Ali (if they need papers at all - I don't need them myself). A buyer on eBay with...limited...knowledge or a newbie will not know who Anderson even is. But those collectors are usually not aware of values and won't pay up for quality anyway.