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Authenticity is Everything
Bob Dylan via Simon & Schuster anyone brave enough ?
They insist hand signed ….
https://www.simonandschuster.com/p/philosophy-of-modern-song-signed...
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Permalink Reply by crazyrabbits23 on
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PROTIP: Most celebrity social media accounts are run by handlers/marketing teams, not the creators whose name appears on it.
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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I agree.
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All the time. Marvel famously used Stan Lee's Twitter account to advertise an unrelated project after his death, while a recent case had Marvel use Chadwick Boseman's Twitter account to hawk tickets for Black Panther: Wakanda Forever long after his passing.
That's not even getting into brand deals/sponsorships where celebs will do pre-timed posts promoting goods and services that they don't use or even care to associate with normally.
If you believe a company/third-party can do something with an artist's account, chances are they already have.
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Permalink Reply by Nichole on
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Send Michael this and you tell Michael that it was guaranteed to be personally hand signed by Bob Dylan This is proven to be autopen and you know it’s autopen because of the dots in the print on all the starts and stops. There is zero indentation from a pen and there is no bleeding of ink to the other side of the page. Tell Michael, you demand a refund or you’re going to the attorney general Your signature has no match as of yet so you have no proof of other books matching yours as of yet you can also fight it with your credit card
tell them their letter is as genuine as their autograph. What difference does fake LOA make with a fake autograph?
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Permalink Reply by itf on
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Until this point I thought it was fanciful that this would end up in court. I don't think so now.
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Maybe it’s different over there but in the uk small claims court exists exactly for this kind of dispute and it doesn’t matter how big the defending company is.
This is $600,000 worth of fraud and we shouldn’t really lose sight of that. That’s not nothing on the balance sheet even for S&S.
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Permalink Reply by MG on
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This would also likely mean that Dylan himself would need to testify in court about his signatures. I cannot see this happen, this will be settled outside court or even before that if finally they come to their senses...the autopens are so obvious, even to an amateur.
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Yes I suspect the breach of contract in reality is in the Dylan camp who will have agreed to provide x hand signed pages to be bound in and are presumably now about to have a difficult conversation with S&S.
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Permalink Reply by Jor-El on
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No matter what really happened, S&S is the responsible party.
As D2C seller they are responsible for the claims they make on the sale page - if it's not as advertised, we should get our money back.
As publisher they carry that same responsibility. They add the Letter of Authenticity, they set the $599 MSRP for the signed edition based on the authenticity. They bound the signed pages into the book. If they blindly trust their authors to provide authentic signatures then that's on them.
I wouldn't hold it against S&S to have used the autopen themselves.
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Yes they are.
There are 2 cases here:
1. product not as advertised is private law, they as seller are 100% responsible towards the buyer to issue refunds if the product is not what they claimed it was. If they were duped themselves they might have a case against a 3rd party themselves, but that does not mean they don't carry any responsibility.
2. Fraud is public law / criminal law which is more complicated, they could be found to have commited, conspired or have been complicit in fraud. With the LOA they took up at least some of that responsibility.
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