Help with Hemingway

Hello,

I obtained three signed Hemingway books from the same collection and am trying to determine if they are legitimate. Any opinions or direction on who I should send them to would be appreciated.

Thanks,

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Permalink Reply by eddy on Tuesday

CJ - Yes, send these back straight away!

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on Tuesday

I am curious how the return is going?

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Permalink Reply by CJ on Wednesday

No reply from the seller. Just started the formal ebay process. Thanks again for the links.

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Permalink Reply by Doug James on Wednesday

Another criminal exposed. Unfortunately becoming all too common in this hobby.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on Wednesday

Most welcome. You should easily prevail.

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Permalink Reply by CJ on Wednesday

All of these look printed using the same technique. Does anyone know how they do this?

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Permalink Reply by eddy on Thursday

CJ -

I've had the good fortune of having some experience with Hemingway in the past. There is no doubt, in my mind at least, that the three you show are forgeries.

Your question here is a very good one regarding the ink. I'll share a bit more later regarding something that perhaps might be helpful if you were still interested in discussing the ink matter. I'm just winding down some New Year's Day festivities with friends🎉

p.s. Were these "signed" pages removed from the books or still bound in the books when you received them? If in the books, what editions, printings?

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Permalink Reply by CJ on Thursday

Eddy,

All the pages are still bound and appear to still be one piece with their counterpart. The editions are not remarkable. Old Man and the Sea "w" edition 1952. Green Hills of Africa 1954. Old Man and the Sea 1953 (illustrated).

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Permalink Reply by eddy on Thursday

CJ -

I had somehow forgotten that I had introduced the thread linked below recently. You might find it interesting. It may not be the exact same process, but it shows that there are tricks being played with making modern forgeries using templates of real vintage autographs. I understand this has been done in areas like U.S. history, sports and classic rock for ages, but it's becoming an issue some of us who focus on classic Hollywood are starting to note in our particular area of interest as well.

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/creating-new-vintag...

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on Thursday

Steve C. might have an answer. Reproductions of some kind. I agree they appear printed. There is no question these are spatially identical and that is impossible - were I still able to do overlays as in the past I could show it. I believe these were still bound in the books when you bought them from eBay?

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on Thursday

Hi Eddy,

Did you find something about how these were produced? That would be interesting. The result appears much less technologically advanced than what we have seen with Beatles and Hendrix created signatures and even those pastiche from existing signatures.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on Thursday

Hi CJ,

You might find this thread on interest - the Bowie used here as an example of mechanical reproduction is a forgery. Yours are based on authentic examples. I also note the quality appears considerably higher in the link:

Mechanical Forgeries based on an Authentic Exemplars. Beatles, Hend...