Authenticity is Everything
Fleetwood Mac - any good ????????????????
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo
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Send the Waters to Corey or Roger...that's a clear fail.
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Permalink Reply by John Freeman
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Sorry, but I do not make deals with people who have already stated they hate me for no reason, while saying untrue things about me and the items I'm selling. As I stated previously, people who really know autographs and have honesty and integrity, can see that my items are, in fact, authentic. The problem is, they will not speak up because of all the bullies on here with their name calling and finger pointing. When joining this site, I hoped I might find like minded collectors with a certain level of maturity who know about autographs, and have the ability to articulate their opinions with intelligent dialogue. Unfortunately, all I've found so far is a gang of kindergarteners who only want to drive away anyone who might be a threat to their so-called "status" as "experts".
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"Unfortunately, all I've found so far is a gang of kindergarteners who only want to drive away anyone who might be a threat to their so-called "status" as "experts..." - John Freeman
That could be said of a large number of a type of autograph dealer on eBay.
What is more likely, everyone here has some personal bent towards you, simultaneously, or your material is "questionable?"
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Permalink Reply by Josh Board NEW & Improved
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Here's something else you're not getting. Sure, your stories can fly with people that aren't autograph collectors, just fans of a specific band. But we ALL KNOW...yes, sometimes a signature can look completely different. Roger Epperson (I believe it was), has a story about a Rolling Stones guitar he got signed in person, and Mick Jagger printed his name out, like a 5-year-old. He knew Mick signed it, he was there. But nobody else probably would want to buy it (maybe that's why Mick did it).
I met Todd Rundgren once and had him sign a photo my friend took of him and Ringo on stage. He loved the photo, wondered where I got it, wanted a copy, etc. As he signed it, he wrote RINGO, and then said "Oh s***, I wrote Ringo's name, not mine!!! I'm so sorry." So he crossed it out, and signed his name.
So, somebody might think (if I ever tried to sell or whatever), that I was trying to forge Ringo's signature. Point being....we all know -- someone could be drunk. Someone could be walking and signing (I had NBA players do that when I was a kid getting signatures), and they might look different.
BUT....if people here are pointing out so many flaws, with so many of your signatures...not all of them will have a "story" behind why it's different, or why it's neater, or why it doesn't look like they're normal style, etc etc etc
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What flaws has anyone pointed out? Other than the Ringo Starr signature having a more typical "R" from his early days? I can show images of Ringo's signature with a rounded R from the 2000s. Again, one letter on a piece with 4 signatures and lengthy inscriptions, does not discount the rest of the piece. Especially when the rest of it matches perfectly with their signatures and handwriting.
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You just said "like minded collectors." You sir, are a dealer, not a collector. Big difference. And autograph dealers have incentive to lie, forge, etc.
To say you "don't make deals" proves them correct. Because if you could PROVE your stuff authentic, you win this debate. You refuse to. It's kind of like if a man comes home at 3 a.m. and his wife asks if he's cheating on her, and he says "I won't dignify that question with an answer" -- instead of him just saying "Yeah, I was working all night. My manager Steve was with me, too. We had to get this account taken care of it was a mess. I called you, but it went right to voice mail" (she checks phone, sees a few attempted calls) -- problem solved.
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You presume to know something about me based on the fact that I have items for sale, and you label me as a "dealer". But first and foremost, I'm a human being, just like the rest of you. But so far, I haven't found anyone who actually knows how to act like one. I came on here to defend one single program because an individual tried to use it to slander me. Since then, I have been called all kinds of names and accused of all sorts of things, none of which I have done. And the reason? Because I have some nice, one of a kind, items for sale. I did not "forge" them, and I did not get them from a "forger". I purchased them directly from an individual in the UK whose Mom dedicated most of her life to acquiring them. I did try to explain this before, but nobody listened. Instead, I was treated like some kind of criminal for simply telling my story. And now, I have to defend myself to a community which I hoped to be a part of, but does not want any part of me. And if that's the case, ok. I can deal with that. But I will not compromise myself to be a part of something with which I do not belong.
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Permalink Reply by Findbooks
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I did not "forge" them, and I did not get them from a "forger". I purchased them directly from an individual in the UK whose Mom dedicated most of her life to acquiring them.
Ok, that is plausible.
So, presuming you are not actually selling these items on consignment, you bought all of this stock from a single source in a foreign country. Did you travel over to the UK to view the collection? Was the deal negotiated online only? How was the collection transported to you over in the USA? How much did that cost approximately?
You mentioned having many years experience but I note that your ebay account was established only in 2021. Where did you trade before that?
How did you verify the items in this collection before you bought it? Did it occur to you beforehand that you might be buying a collection which had been assembled by a very silly person with no knowledge or expertise in the field - that the items had been purchased willy-nilly without any underlying theme?
There are many, many cast-signed vintage movie posters and other related ephemera in this collection. As an experienced autograph-person, are you aware of how rare such items actually are and do you really believe that eBay would be the most appropriate venue for selling these?
Perhaps you could explain the processes involved in how you authenticated each and every one of all the many, many signatures included in this collection. Did you actually engage in any type of authentication yourself or did you just assume that they were all fine?
Rather than try to defend individual autographs you could address some of these more basic matters.
The list - thus far - of questionable material in this collection could be added to greatly, btw.
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And again, these folks already did you a big solid. They told you some of the reasons WHY your stuff was so easily spotted as fake. A style of signature from the early 60s done in the late 60s. So now you'll know how to properly trick people in the future.
Oh, and as to your response about your happy customers that are too afraid to state their opinions because of bullies -- also makes no sense. They probably aren't even on here, or aren't experts, so what would they have to prove you correct in selling an authentic item?
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Permalink Reply by Jason H
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Im not interested in Fleetwood Mac so I haven't been paying attention much to this thread. Just caught up now and WOW... I am too exhausted to really dig through this sellers stuff until tomorrow but quickly searched sold items for signatures I know. I won't give any of my own opinions, whatever they are worth, without more reaserch.. but... Tell me if I'm wrong, the first one I click on to look closer, Bon Jovi... Is this a stop and start mark or am I seeing things?
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Just for reference, here is a full set of signatures from Bowie’s Outside Tour band, obtained in person, by me, in Prague on 3 February 1996:
Top row: Peter Schwartz, Mike Garson, Reeves Gabrels, Carlos Alomar.
Bottom row: Zachary Alford, Gail Ann Dorsey, George Simms.
Peter’s signature is particularly rare to find on items from this tour. He was so anonymous to all but the most hardcore of fans that few people bothered to ask for his autograph. It is the only signature missing from the tour programme posted earlier.
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Ok come on, this Ghostbusters item is comical. How can this be explained? Dan somehow completely stopped his signature clockwise "a" that's 100% present in all his handwriting, not just signature, from as far back as the early 70s that I've researched and still is true today.. whoever forged this must have been trying to copy one of Dan's secretarial signatures and hacked it. Everything is completely off in general.
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