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Help! AAU Certified Babe Ruth/Ty Cobb Baseball and 14 HOFer Signed Induction Card Kicked Off eBay

I purchased through an auction house a signed Babe Ruth/Ty Cobb baseball and a HOF's signed induction card with 14 signatures. These items came with a COA from AAU, Drew Max, Pawn Stars authenicator. I put these on Ebay, only to be kicked off because their 3rd party authenticators said they were fakes. After some research, I found out that Ebay does not recognize "Forensic Examiners"...why. They are far more educated in this arena than those other so called experts. So I go to a well established auction house, they send those items out to PSA along with some others I know for sure are authentic because I have pics of the individuals signing the items. Not to my surprise, all but one comes back not authenticated. Even the ones I know are for real...so much for PSA. Anyway, I contacted AAU and the president, Marc Goldman emails me to give him a call, I do. He states that all the above forementioned items are real and that he will go to court with me to prove such. He also stated that Ebay had contacted them in 1997-98 to be their 3rd party authenticator, they turned them down...hence the snub on Ebay. He also stated that I should sell these with a clear mind, that I am not frauding anyone. So who do I believe? Oh, and the orginal auction house says that they sold me an authentic items. These items are worth, between 40,000 and 50,000 if real. So any adivice? I'm seriously thinking of hiring a lawyer. It's not about money, but principal.

Disgusted

Tags: PSA, aau, babe ruth, drew max, eBay, hof, induction, psa, ty cobb

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 25, 2012 at 4:20pm

Ron,

I don't think AAU is standing behind you when they say they'll go to court to prove the items are genuine. They're "standing behind" whoever sold them to you. A court can't force anyone to buy or consign autographs they didn't sell.

What Marc Goldman said to you is a huge red flag.

When people buy autographs certified by AAU from galleries like Antiquities in Caesars Palace or San Francisco, and try to get a refund after they find out that no the reputable experts think they're fake, they will tell you that Drew Max will go to court to testify in their defense if you sue them...and that you'll lose.

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on July 25, 2012 at 3:11pm

I agree with Harry. What can of worms? No photos, no nothing.

I'd love to see what items are "Worth between $40,000 and $50,000!!!!"

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 25, 2012 at 4:21pm

Thanks, Ron. I'm posting them in the discussion now.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 25, 2012 at 3:10pm

I moved this discussion to Autograph Authentication Services. Existing links should work.

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on July 25, 2012 at 4:51pm

Tell us, Ron, what are you looking for here? You're the one that came HERE looking for HELP.

Many of us here, including myself, go above and beyond to help anyone, and for the most part, without compensation.

You come here, after spending X amount of dollars on items that Ebay removed. So tell us, Ron, what are you looking for here?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 25, 2012 at 3:14pm

I also rewrote your title to increase activity.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 25, 2012 at 3:20pm

Hi Ron,

Welcome to Autograph Magazine Live! Please post images of the baseball and HOF induction card so we can see what the authenticators saw. BTW, what did you pay for them?

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on July 25, 2012 at 3:43pm

I want to see the "HOF Signed Induction Card With 14 Signatures."

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on July 25, 2012 at 3:56pm

It's amazing that none of the signatures touch each other. Geez.

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on July 25, 2012 at 4:48pm

Ron, you obviously know zero about autographs. There are so many things to look for when opining on autograph(s).

You bought that stuff and you're calling me stupid? Seriously?

You came here looking for help after YOU spent all of that money. You came here looking for someone to help after Ebay removed your auctions. And now you get defensive. This certainly sounds familiar.

Maybe you should call or email Drew Max and ask him to put in writing that he will go to court in defense of his authenticating those autographs. Get it in writing.