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Permalink Reply by Fuddjcal on June 11, 2014 at 8:31am

Thanks for the clarification Roger. They don't come more moronic than Chefraider. Every post is 9.5 million this, 9.5 million that, todd this todd that. I have an idea ChefRamsey, get an original thought and quit being a general A** wipe. Never have I saw so many nimrods in one place.....ad nauseum

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on June 8, 2014 at 7:00pm

It's obvious that Jack is "J" the same guy that responded to Al's question about the items in question.

As for what Bobby said, I agree with him in that a reputable seller should not be called out unless your opinion is 100%. If youre not 100% sure on something  then either don't post or don't put "Possible fake", "Probable fake", "Beware of this seller", "Don't buy from this seller" etc, if you're not sure then ask for opinions or put in the title "What do you think about this seller and his items". Once the category of fake is associated with a seller then the search engines pick it up and damages the sellers reputation for doing nothing wrong.

I think in the future if a post is made and the title defames the seller but the majority of members agree that their items are authentic then the title should be revised. But to cut that off before it happens members should be 100% sure before putting a seller name in the title.

 

Just my Opinion of course..

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on June 8, 2014 at 7:05pm

Yep. Need to be careful calling out legit sellers. Not fair to them and also calls into question the accuracy if opinions here. Gives the bad sellers an argument they can cling to.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Gregory on June 8, 2014 at 1:27pm

Thank you all for the words and support and thank you Wascher for the extra information, sorry I could not respond, I was asleep.

I am attending a meeting this week and will be bringing this seller to the attention of the  authorities as with a couple of others.

For about 85% of sellers simply being warned is enough to make them stop and agree to cease selling but the real rogues need to be charged or convicted before they stop.

I have a court case next month with one of the worst sellers I have ever come across and will reveal details once the case is over but about 20% of all fakes from NZ have come from this person.

I will keep you informed on this, it is a very slow process but Jack you will get a knock at the door, may not be tomorrow or even next month but it will happen and you will be held accountable so you have a choice to stop or dig that hole deeper.

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Permalink Reply by wascher on June 8, 2014 at 2:42pm

You mean for once at like 3am you were really sleeping instead of being online with me? lol  (I get up fairly early - and when I log in, there's Dan usually too.  :) 

I commend the work your doing.  Fantastic.  Yes please keep us up to speed on it with what went down after it happens :)  Always like reading the "good things" that go on to put the bad guys out of commission.

-w

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Permalink Reply by Dan Gregory on June 8, 2014 at 6:14pm

Haha, thank you. Yes I tend to keep the site on in the background as I work very strange hours and there is usually something good to read or learn.

As you say hopefully we can help stop the bad apples and keep trying.

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Permalink Reply by michelle on June 9, 2014 at 4:18am

+ 1!!!   Yes very impressive work & its also v interesting to see how this works   in different countries.  Maybe ebay could take notes!!   When I did look at who else on line , I always noticed that Dan was there so I know what Wascher means. Good on you Dan!

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Permalink Reply by Carlos on June 8, 2014 at 5:06pm

How have you been able to prove the seller was knowingly and willfully selling forgeries?

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Permalink Reply by Dan Gregory on June 8, 2014 at 6:13pm

Sellers are contacted and get the chance to show they are genuine or did not know, get a warning and if they do it again they cannot use the defence.

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Bautista on June 8, 2014 at 5:37pm

I don't understand how that process works . Ebay willfully gives out the names and addresses of the sellers to you ? Then you go to the authorities ?

I need to join ebay new Zealand. I cant even get a rep from the united states on the phone when I call. Its usually someone from India who has no idea what Im talking about .

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Permalink Reply by Dan Gregory on June 8, 2014 at 6:12pm

Not to me, myself and a few others provide information collected over a period of time and provide this to our contacts in the authorities. They then contact eBay etc. I tried to get details from eBay etc directly and like you I got a brick wall on my own

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Permalink Reply by Dan Gregory on June 8, 2014 at 6:10pm

The process is not something I can directly affect and the items in question are not just via eBay, a lot is via the site www.trademe.co.nz as not many Kiwis use eBay. I am not able to give all the information on the process as I do not want the bad sellers finding ways around the process or certain details.

There is a set process, which is very slow and laborious and not as effective as anyone would like but the only current way under the law. 

Sellers are given every chance to prove the items are genuine or show they have sold items with the best intentions etc and warnings are only issued where it is clear that sellers have ignored attempts to stop them selling forgeries.

After warnings are received most sellers stop, those that don't are dealt with and cannot argue they did not know they are selling fakes and usually have no choice but to admit what they have done.

The process will also become a little easier as of 17th June (next Tuesday) as any seller selling anything from New Zealand where they purchased something such as an autograph to sell on for profit will be covered by the Consumer Guarantees Act. This means a seller can be sued and prosecuted for selling items if someone buys something that later proves to be fake.

Although many sellers will continue to profit hopefully in time the worst offenders can be stopped.

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