Some users have uncovered potential autopen use within Bob Dylan's expensive art prints. Please check your prints if you own one and post a picture on this thread if you have any concerns.
here is a link to one of his art prints in question
*UPDATE - Let this be a warning to ALL publishers and celebrities in the future. We are sick and tired of these autopen releases. Our community has had enough and absolutely will not stand for this practice to continue any longer!!!
I want to point out that Coles Books needs to be commended. They made sure to look out for their customers and refused to ship these out if they came from the same S&S stock, which they did. It was also an easy process to cancel orders beforehand if you wished. Coles. on behalf of everyone, I want to thank you for having integrity and watching out for all of us.
I can NOT say the same about Premiere Collectibles. They refused to honor cancelation requests until it was known these books were in fact autopenned. They advertise themselves claiming they are collectors themselves. This is not true. They are a retailer first and only care about your money. There have been other autopen incidents where they absolutely refused to accept blame, stating items were real when they were clearly deemed autopen by the community. Be careful with future purchases with Premiere Collectibles.
This email came directly from Jonathan Karp at Simon and Schuster. If anyone still wishes to send him a message, here is his email address as well.
We apologize for the mistake that was made and are offering a full refund of your purchase. Please keep your copy of The Philosophy of Modern Song at no cost. We hope you will enjoy reading it.
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I am creating this thread as a comprehensive all in 1 link for returns, refunds, chargebacks and claims made regarding the "signed" edition of Bob Dylan - The Philosophy Of Modern Song. Please use this link to email Simon & Schuster, Coles, and Premiere Collectables as 100% proof these were signed using an autopen machine.
I would like to say right off the bat, Coles Books in the UK is handling this professionally and seem to care deeply about their customer base. They have stated that, once they are in hand, If they find evidence of them being autopenned, they will cancel all orders.. Kudos to Coles.. I wish all retailers would follow their lead. If you wish to cancel your order with them immediately instead of waiting, It seems to be an easy process.
This post will be continuously updated with new information over the next few days
Please refer to this article for the time being until more information is added
Here is the post I created a few weeks ago with info regarding the Indigo incident.
So far, there have been a total of 17 confirmed different templates for the autopen machine used for Bob Dylans signature. I am in the process of creating video comparisons for all 17 sets. Please post full page photos of your item as they are delivered to aid in this process
Here are all 17 templates used by Bob Dylan - I am still looking for full page photos for numbers 8,13 and 15 thru 17 but its still best to post whatever you receive
Be aware when checking against your own copy, it has come to light that they are possibly using 1st and last names interchangeably. Bob in #2 matches perfectly with Bob in #13 while Dylan in both are different
14th variation confirmed
16th variation - Seems to be almost an exact combination of #11 and #13 with a different vertical line in his "D"
Video and photo comparisons created so far
Here are the COAs stating these books were in fact hand-signed
Suzanne Baboneau for UK - Certificate Of Authenticity UK.jpg
Jonathan Karp for USA - Certificate Of Authenticity USA.JPG
Coles listing before it was removed - Coles Website Listing.jpg
Jonathan Karp US - CEO of Simon & Schuster
Duane Ward of Premiere Collectables
email@example.com - Others have tried firstname.lastname@example.org
Suzanne Baboneau, Managing Director
Ian Chapman, UK - CEO
275 South Beverly Drive
Beverly Hills, CA 90212
Creative Artists Agency
2000 Avenue Of The Stars
Los Angeles, CA 90067
550 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
Manatt Phelps & Phillips
11355 West Olympic Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90064
Bob Dylan's Twitter
Bob Dylan's Facebook
I also found this email associated with Bob Dylans store. Its worth a try
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Dolly Parton is also guilty of using multiple autopens in the same fashion with multiple templates over the years but with a slight twist where they manipulate the page as the autopen machine writes her signature. If we are looking to stop all future attempts at autopen usage, she needs to be held accountable just as much as Bob Dylan and S&S. Link to threads below
Here is a great example provided by Eric Keith Longo
He knew lol
F##k Bob Dylan
This could be the new "Let's go Brandon" chant !!! lol
hate to agree with you Bob but I do, it's an insult to try to pass off a total scumbag move as an error in judgment and we are just supposed to accept it.
Shocking to see the comments on his FB page are VERY forgiving, and implying anyone buying his an autograph for hundreds of dollars is a fool. I strongly disagree, the artist selling his signature for hundreds of dollars has a responsibility to deliver what was purchased, and I find it incredibly dishonest to use autopen when a book or print is sold at such a high price. Bob was FORCED to come clean because the pressure was mounting (mostly here - but see what has been achieved here already) regarding the use of autopen sigs on his art prints. The book was supposed to be a 600K deal (assuming they only sold 999), but the combined value of the prints is in the millions of dollars. Bob and his team are just trying to save themselves from a massive millions of dollars class action lawsuit. Dude, if you got vertigo or any other condition that prevents you from signing, DON'T SELL SIGNED ITEMS!!!! As long as you cash in, your responsibility is engaged. Basically, that's a lot of BS. He ain't sorry, only sorry he got caught.
Read carefully what he wrote. It isn’t really the vertigo. It persisted but it was the pandemic that stopped him. He added the vertigo for sympathy. Which worked. I’m so mad. His fans on his fb are morons. I’m one of those fans but man I saw through that immediately. How can they be so blind? They don’t want their view of bob Dylan tainted
I am not used to making money when I have a lapse of judgement. You?
Hahahahaha best comment and so true
Hey there. I saw you on eBay. Sent you a message. I don’t think you realized it was me. Yeah. He’s at fault and his fans ADORE him blindly. It’s gross. I’m a fan too. I don’t adore him blindly.
Well said Dan, a big +1 from me !
And by the way, any one of us here trying to pull of a fraud of that magnitude would end up in jail.