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Permalink Reply by Eugene Monaghan on January 31, 2023 at 10:12pm

To be fair to Ian, he has been open, honest and responsive, proactively kept in touch and has provided as much of the requested additional information and detail as he can given the circumstances Castle have found themselves in. 

The relevant legislation here in the UK as far as the Small Claims Court is now the Consumer Rights Act 2015. I still believe on balance there is a case to answer around potential breach of at least two terms but now I have established the facts I need to review position, take some more advice, consider any case law precedent, viability of any claim and decide on next steps.

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Permalink Reply by JK on January 30, 2023 at 12:45pm

I was going to congratulate you on getting so much detailed information from them, but it seems you are still not satisfied, and apparently never will be, which is unfortunate.  

No one can turn back time - if Castle wasn't there at the signing then there is nothing that will change that.  

The background on his changing signature style is important, and answers questions that some people had.

As far as I know, no one has shown any matching autopens from this series.  I don't know how the burden of proof works in the UK, but this is starting to sound like trying to prove a negative, as in "prove to me these are not autopen".  

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Permalink Reply by Eugene Monaghan on January 31, 2023 at 10:35pm

All I’m asking is for Washington `Green / Castle Galleries to provide the evidence to support the Certificate of Authenticity they issued which guarantees the artwork is hand signed by the artist. The artwork is fundamentally marketed, sold and priced based on this ‘USP’, and Castle told customers, including myself and many others, they had representatives at every signing to independently confirm the signings by Bob. As it stands Castle Galleries authentication and verification governance process to support the issue of the CoA is not to any reasonable standard expected, is operating on a ‘trust’ basis with no independent certainty that Bob Dylan or a secretary signed these prints, never mind the lack of quality control that allowed Autopen to be used on artwork they sold. 

It’s not really a question of me not being, or never will be satisfied, I’m a Bob Dylan fan, I love the prints and I’m not looking to sell or make a profit (although it’s always good if something appreciates in value) but more a matter of principle.

It’s important to establish as many facts as possible and as they aren’t unique to just the two Mondo pieces I have it will hopefully help other people as well. Now I’ve done that I need to weigh up and consider position.

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on February 1, 2023 at 12:10am

I think of all the members working as a representative for the companies who were allegedly at the various behind closed doors signings,   there would be at least one if not more who would probably be a massive Dylan fan and they would have taken photos / videos of meeting their idol.... i know I and pretty much everybody else on here would...... and they would have the proof that they were there and met with Bob Dylan - so where is the actual proof? 

I find it odd, being no proof, apart from his team saying it happened.... so it must have .....

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Permalink Reply by Stepeanut on February 1, 2023 at 1:11am

You could always ask them directly:

Esther Light

https://m.facebook.com/1264299201/

Galia Gev

https://m.facebook.com/100001139682494/

Callie Gladman

https://m.facebook.com/535896969/

This is Jeff Rosen, although he is highly unlikely to respond to you positively, if at all:

https://m.facebook.com/594499250/

The others — the three women — may respond, depending on the wording of your enquiry.

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on February 1, 2023 at 1:55am

There's no need for me to as I wasn't one of the poor sods  ripped off buying one of  Dylans fraudulently sold prints  ..... as the above named said they were there at the print signing .....  so they must have been -  it's obviously all true as everything Dylans Team and associates  says is always true........

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Permalink Reply by Stepeanut on February 1, 2023 at 2:13am

Just trying to help by responding directly to a specific point made by you.  You do seem to be taking a keen interest in this thread, despite having, by your own admission, no personal involvement with the artworks in question.  If you don’t wish to pursue that particular line of enquiry, we’ll leave it there.

Conversely, even though I am a keen Dylan collector, I will once again back away from this thread and leave you and others to it.

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Permalink Reply by 5816nick on February 1, 2023 at 2:30am

No Involvement with the artworks, but was looking into buying one a few weeks before this all kicked off back in September and I, along with hundreds / thousands of others was defrauded by the S&S /  Indigo book saga at the very beginning paying £500+ for a 'Signed' Book which started this all off! 

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Permalink Reply by Matt M. on February 1, 2023 at 5:07am

Assuming that Esther, Galia, and Callie do not all live within driving distance of Santa Monica (Galia currently in NYC), there should be travel records for these folks to have traveled there on those dates. Presumably, the travel would have been paid for by Dylan’s team, or Castle? Let’s see the records for this. 

Permalink Reply by 5816nick on February 1, 2023 at 5:40am

That's a great idea Matt M. If it happened it should be documented by the galleries as a business expense paid to their staff, which is legally  required for tax purposes  - if they can't supply this then it didn't happen! 

Permalink Reply by Nichole on January 30, 2023 at 8:57pm

Im pretty sure that’s true meaning the dates. 

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Permalink Reply by Eugene Monaghan on January 31, 2023 at 10:39pm

I agree, the timeline fits but the lack of granular, documented detail is poor. In my opinion they should have a basic governance and catalogue process in place to allow the verification of the signing of each particular piece of artwork to specific time, date, location and witnesses if required as in this scenario.

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