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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on October 20, 2014 at 2:37pm

Bad thing is all that money didn't go to the charity. Usually these donors stick a reserve on the items they donate. They get paid whatever that was. Only the amounts raised above that reserve actually gets donated.

These folks know what they are doing. They are selling junk and letting the charity event do all the work in selling it.

Permalink Reply by CJCollector on October 20, 2014 at 3:13pm

Keith, your "Mantle" is an obvious forgery.  There are probably thousands of that particular "Mantle" forgery floating around the hobby.

Every Ebay auction reads "Seller Assumes All Responsibility For This Listing."

Permalink Reply by Keith M. Smith on October 20, 2014 at 4:01pm

and, that sir is why, once I heard about the litho being a potential forgery. I went the extra mile, contacted the buyer, and cancelled the transaction on the spot.

     It is very easy for one to be so Pius, when this is what you excel in. It is obvious that you were watching the item on EBay, waiting to besmirch me as soon as the sale went final.

If you were sure this was a forgery, why did you not contact me before the fact. I would have yanked it on the spot. Let it be clear this lithograph was never a completed transaction. Please look at my Ebay transactions list. It will speak for itself.

I am firmly behind your efforts to clean up a nasty business, and respect what you do. I on the other hand do not approve of your methods of calling out a person such as myself who does not have bad intentions, and whose only foible was putting trust into others and a (what I thought) was a reputable dealer who donated an item to a worthy cause. 

Guess what, in the end I got hosed, or did I. My money spent went to cancer research locally.

Continue to attempt to vilify me, if that is what gets you through the day. But remember you don't know the person........ Only the transaction, and I can gather a list of 100 people in my are that would attest to the kind of man I am. 

Permalink Reply by DonBlaze on October 20, 2014 at 4:08pm

Keith , Well said. You could have been stopped before the auction ended because of your low feedback rating. So it is a mystery ,why auctions are not stopped when they could be ,then come on here and belittle the seller,. It is said "this is helping out the collector"

Permalink Reply by Keith M. Smith on October 20, 2014 at 4:18pm

Again, I applaud the effort to clean up the industry.

I also applaud the fact that I have 6  Goose Island Pale Ale long necks in the fridge about ready to be consumed when my TEXANS throw a whoppin on the Steelers.

My 15 year old son can identify what country a Fender Stratocaster was produced in from ten feet away, and if it has been modified, by woods, action set ups and so on. Can I.....No, but I will take his word for it, because he is the EXPERT, as was the dealer who donated to the charity event.

Oh bye the bye, it's not a low feedback rating to be clear. It is a non existent feedback rating. This was my 2nd item to ever sell. I guess my Ebay carer will be shorter lived than previously thought.   

Permalink Reply by DonBlaze on October 20, 2014 at 4:28pm

You aren't the first person here to be "baited" and won't be the last. It has become a hobby here as its own. So you should not let this derail you from your Ebay career .

Permalink Reply by wascher on October 21, 2014 at 6:44am

Don how do you figure Keith was baited?  Chris certainly had nothing to do with the sale of this item, so now he is now responsible for baiting him? 

Having him be smug now afterward, is the exact way people respond 99.9% of the time if they are told they are selling a forgery before an auction ends.   So they don't even bother anymore trying that first.

Baiting lol, wow.  Now I've heard it all.  How about calling it warning unsuspecting people about the sellers of forgeries.

There are 100's of discussions in here prior to an auction ending where Chris (and others) calls out the sellers.  Only to have the seller show up here and lie through their teeth about how they obtained the item in person, or they log in and pretend that they are a buyer of some of the sellers items who they will rave over, they even log in as multiple people to help stand up for their other persona's.  We've seen it all. 

You call it baiting, Chris and others here call it protecting the public.  And I certainly would agree with them more than you. 

I'm sorry, I usually don't rant and keep my cool as a moderator but this just floored me.

-w

Permalink Reply by Keith M. Smith on October 21, 2014 at 6:52am

Those were not my words.

I do not think I was "Baited" in any way.

I also stated that I am 100% behind exposing any frauds, and cleaning up the business.

All I ever said was, being the type of person that I am I would have pulled the item immediatly if I knew of any suspicion of the item not being legit.

I had to jump through a lot of hoops, to cancel the transaction, refund money, contact the buyer and so on. If I would have been alerted before the fact it would surely have saved me a lot of time and grief.

Permalink Reply by DonBlaze on October 21, 2014 at 8:16am

Washer, In what you wrote me ,I know you did it tongue in cheek as you know exactly what is going on.See Washer ,we all know here that people with a low feedback rating that has a questionable autograph on Ebay can come on here PRIOR to the ending of the auction and report it. Several collectors can report it to Ebay and it will be removed. This is a proven fact , I suggest it be tried.

Now ,it comes to this when a autograph is reported AFTER the end of the auction. Please tell me who is helped ?  The buyer isn't and if we truly care for this unknown buyer no matter who they are ,then the sale would never have materialized as actions would have been taken here BEFORE the end of the auction.

Now about what I call "Baiting"  it appears that yes these people are called out and it also appears to have that the enjoyment of others here is displayed when they do come on to state their case,. That is when in my view they are put in their place .I guess you call that "educating the collector". I have another term for it.Would you like a young person interested in becoming a collector ,to read some of the bantering that goes on sometimes. One woman was called a "Broad",others" Scumbags",Morons, ,you get my point.

As far as this Kenneth, I believe this guy, I think he was had like the rest of us one time or another.I don't see him as smug but you might and that could be the problem ,that guys like Kenneth are looked at negatively and accused of fraud before we know their story. Accusing them of fraud before hearing from them is not a good start and what do we expect of their reaction

Permalink Reply by Keith M. Smith on October 21, 2014 at 8:47am

This piece did not come from F******* Sportscards as I thought. I spoke with him on the phone and he has a stellar reputation. I am contacting the organizers of the golf tournament to find out the true donator, and I will post immediatly.

 

Again F*********s sports cards is not the doner.

(name edited of donor until Keith has this cleared up--moderator)

Permalink Reply by DonBlaze on October 21, 2014 at 9:00am

Thank you Keith for your  "true"concern in what happened. I knew you were not "smug". Good Luck!!

Permalink Reply by Dom Vito Castiglione on October 21, 2014 at 9:01am

Great post Wascher! Exact definition of the word "broad".....A woman or a girl. OMG how can anyone use such a terrible word?! I know for a fact I've called many forgers, Lee Trythall included, "scumbags." Did I say something false? No, he is one! That's actually the nicest word I can come up with for someone like him. I've also referred to many buyers of obvious forgeries as "morons." Again what's wrong with that? The definition of moron is simply someone who is "foolish." If big bad blaze is offended by that type of horrific language, maybe AML isn't the site for him. I think Don is a clown. I looked it up so you don't have to....it means I think you're a buffoon!!

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