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Authenticity is Everything
Has the Autograph market been stitched up that people wont trade without a coa or a pass.
On the forum members are sharing their experience's of obtaining signatures in person and then they have been failing authentication. One member said he purchased a Mantle ball from Harmon Killebrew's estate and a letter from his wife after placing it on auction the questions came rolling in. What happens if it fails psa/dna?
I don't know anything about Mantle or Killebrew, but share his sentiment on different autographs I own personally.
So do the authentication companies have a hold on the market or any thoughts on the matter? It seems unfair that something that is 110 percent authentic that fails is left by the wayside because it doesn't have a coa.
I know it's great to have insurance with the Beatles, Tracks and Caiazzo, but as a community with those authenticators help we do a great job of authenticating ourselves.
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Permalink Reply by Dan Gregory on
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As others say selling an item with a PSA sticker can double or treble the price regardless of whether it is real or not.
I am currently well into a process here in New Zealand working with the authorities where a well known seller has been operating for years. The seller used to sell a lot of fakes with a sticker and letter from Chris Morales. Due to ongoing investigations I cannot reveal certain details.
More recently they have been selling items with authentication from PSA and JSA and are getting hundreds authenticated at a time. Some of these items include people such as local New Zealand sports people and musicians that PSA did not even have an example of the said celebrity yet issued a sticker and card for. When I tried to do the same PSA could not authenticate as they had no examples on file and refused to answer how they issued the other person an authentication.
Additionally we have been able to prove that some of the items that PSA authenticated for this seller were never signed by the person in question such as 1 person who has refused to sign items for 10 years yet appraently signed dozens for this seller and then PSA authenticated them.
Now I know with some items PSA does good work and they have to a degree helped clean up the hobby.
However; it appears that if you pay them enough they turn a blind eye and sticker anything you want and this is infecting the hobby and meaning many people are buying fakes that have authentication and this needs to stop and the sooner the better
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Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on
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Very well put, and their arrogance of not answering questions and no accountability doesn't go over well with me either.
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Hi Paul, I don't think it happens all the time but it seems some sellers get a free pass and many others don't such as Michael has said.
Even to happen a few times is not good enough as passing autographs as authentic when they have nothing to base their examples on is unacceptable for any TPA.
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Permalink Reply by James on
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Unfortunately, this is clearly going on. It's one thing to make a mistake, but situations like this aren't mistakes. It's just like when Reznikoff made $8 million worth of JFK "mistakes", he did so for a friend who was lying to him. Unfortunately, he believed his friend's story. If you are going to survive as a legitimate TPA, you need to evaluate each item independently from the source and forget about personal relationships. Eventually, if they keep doing this, it will catch up to them. Remember Maestro Auctions?
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This is a problem I've brought up before. TPA's pass items for reasons other than the signature.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Kasmar-AutographPros.com on
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Interesting. I have had 1000s of items PSA authenticated including countless full LOAs which aren't cheap so the amount of $ I've spent with them certainly constitutes "Enough Money" and I can tell you I get no special treatment. At best I'll get some items not charged for due to sloppy signatures which they just couldn't render a decision on but otherwise, I've on many occasions had items I obtained in person fail their authentication. I'm not saying their isn't favoritism out there or relationships which differ from my own but I will say it's not based purely on money because I've spent a lot.
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I think there is some jealousy in this hobby. Press Pass is an ebay flipper and I think that rubs people the wrong way.
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How do they get check marks and other assorted scribbles passed? That's what I would like to know.
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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My impression Press Pass will sell anything they can get away with, authentic or not. They clearly have have an in with PSA and JSA, which allows them to get questionable and outright fake items authenticated as neither company seems to really scrutinize items submitted by them. The "flipper" thing might be the least of their offenses.
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Permalink Reply by Dane on
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Dan, with respect to the items you're investigating, are they PSA LOA or COA items? I know that my last order with PSA had all items photographed and posted on the PSA website, but past orders would only be photographed with an LOA.
Is it possible that PSA's authentication stickers on the items you found were forgeries, as well? I figure, if a seller is going to forge signatures, what's to stop them from forging a low-res sticker?
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Hi Dane, they are all stickers with cards and PSA have confirmed to the authorities that they are genuine and were certified by PSA in each case. Originally I thought they were all fake cards and stickers but they are real which makes it even more frustrating
I hope to be able to share some of the items soon once I get the go ahead and will keep you posted.
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