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JSA is passing fake autographs by the hundreds for eBay seller dirty_water_ink

musicandmore-nyc and gothamcitygraphs 

Study these autographs protect yourself!!

I came across these two sites while searching eBay. Not a single item is authentic, I am almost sure that this is the same forgery ring that circulated the mass amount of forgeries that GAI was passing 1-2 years back, you may be familiar with the eBay name dirty_water_ink, well I am no professional but I can say that I fell victim to a forgery sold by that seller and since then I dedicated some of my free time to study the forgeries they were producing to protect myself (even after they changed their user I.D. to hide) probably more than anyone I know, and I am 100% sure that this is dirty_water_ink, only this time JSA is passing the items!!!!!!! Shame on you JSA. I guess it is true what they say about the company being ran by children! 

How can JSA be considered more credible than GAI if they are passing the same forgeries that GAI stopped passing?

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Permalink Reply by Eric Whittfield on June 21, 2014 at 10:03am
We all know your not rick johnson. I have been following this forum along with a lot of forgeries hitting the internet in bulk. I will give examples in this post also. Since Bob Gryder firing from GAI which is now GA. Steve hired Emil. I find it funny that his picture is not on the website but he is there main authenticator why is this. Emil better known in the streets as E has tried selling Sandy Koufax, Mike Trout, Yasiel Puig,Buster Posey, Russell Wilson in spring training in Arizona in bulk. He was offering them to people not by one or two but by the dozen. He was also offering them on new style items saying they were from last year when they came out in november and the guys haven't even been in town yet. Its hard for me to believe the forgery ring is in Fl or NYC area. Since Bob Gryder firing and Steve Sipe putting all blame on him. Now the way we can prove this is Steve switched his cert cards and stickers after Bob firing. GA has certed more Lebron James and Michael Jordan than upper deck has acquired. Also they have certed more Wayne Gretzky Kobe Bryant Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers in a row. These numbers are unheard of. I believe GA head authenticator might be in on the ring. I have done lots of research and if you check ebay and the auction sites I don't see any of the new GA certs being listed from Florida or New York,. I see everything coming from California, Colorado, Ohio and Arizona. California and Arizona are filled with forged autographs. I also have noticed a lot of the guys certed in bulk by GA also being certed by JSA i.e (Puig, Koufax, Jordan). I have also noticed that GA is no longer allowed in Pristine Auction house due to a earlier post and complaints. Now for JSA I have looked at the two ebay accounts mentioned in this thread and there is a ton of Bad autographs on those two accounts. I find it funny that Rick Johnson refuses to answer anything to the tone of GA. So now that Bob Gryder has been gone for a few years and this mess is still going on and worse now than it ever was who is Steve Sipe going to blame now. I would like for everyone to go to the GA cert check and type in the numbers below and see for yourself. The website doesn't lie. I am tired of collectors getting scammed by all this garbage. If you obtain in person autographs you know it is impossible to obtain bulk in Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Russell Wilson, Kobe Bryant in these numbers. I don't think they sign this many autographs a year let alone in a row of certs. Now they are starting with the Mashario Tanaka. My conclussion is the JSA stuff on those accounts are bad and GA is worse now than when mike baker was there. Lets look at some of the runs in GA Data base. New Certs not old stuff.
700249-700251 3 Lebron James
717812-717823 12 Lebron James
717824-717853 30 Russell Wilson
717854-717866 13 Stephen Strasburg
717871-717890 20 Mike Trout
717891-717903 13 Kobe Bryant
717904-717913 10 Bryce Harper
717914-717931 18 Buster Posey
717932-717941 10 Peyton Manning
717942-717947 6 Lebron James
725261-725268 8 Lebron James
726573-726578 6 Lebron James
725271-725274 4 Lebron James
725281-725284 4 Lebron James
726617-726621 6 Lebron James
726579-726589 11 Michael Jordan
726594-726600 7 Lebron James
752083-752103 21 Michael Jordan
751749-751757 8 Michael Jordan
751018-751046 28 Bobby Orr
752104-752120 16 Kobe Bryant
752121-752126 6 Michael Jordan
751426-751487 61 Wayne Gretzky
707400-707500 100 Wayne Gretzky
18130-18170 40 Lebron James
181197-18208 12 Tiger Woods
18209-18220 12 Muhammed Ali
744415-744418 4 Michael Jordan
751358-751367 9 Michael Jordan
751409-751425 17 Michael Jordan
751387-751393 7 Michael Jordan
751262-751292 30 Peyton Manning
751585-751614 30 Wayne Gretzky
751749-751757 8 Michael Jordan
741627-741633 7 Michael Jordan
Look at the below run of 100 consecutive stars WOW.
741642-741651 10 Michael Jordan same run split up
741652-741670 19 Aaron Rodgers same run split up
741671-741690 20 Tom Brady same run split up
741691-741701 11 Kobe Bryant same run split up
741702-741706 5 Peyton Manning same run split up
741707-741716 10 Michael Jordan same run split up
741717-741721 5 Aaron Rodgers same run split up
741722-741724 3 Michael Jordan same run split up
741725-741727 3 Aaron Rodgers same run split up
741728-741730 3 Michael Jordan same run split up
741731-741733 3 Kobe Bryant same run split up
741734-741736 3 Aaron Rodgers same run split up
741737-741742 6 Tom Brady same run split up

Here is a Run of 50 Forgeries in the JSA database from the same California group peddling all the Koufax,Trout,Puig,Jordan,Manning,Gretzky.

X75593 Chipper Jones
X75594 Wayne Gretzky
X75595-X75596 2 Mike Trout
X75597-X75598 2 Tim Lincecum
X75599-X75625 27 Yasiel Puig
X75626-X75634 9 Mike Trout
X75635-X75636 2 Yasiel Puig
X75637-X75639 2 Mike Trout
X75640-X75642 3 Yasiel Puig
X75643-X75644 2 Buster Posey

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/lebron-forgery-ebay-...


WOW IS ALL I CAN SAY THIS TOOK ME 30 MINUTES SMH. 93 Lebron James over 100 Michael Jordan. GA what happen to any guys like Joey Votto, Jose Reyes, Jose Bautista, Kevin Love etc. It seems like you only cert The Elite mega stars in every sport. No wonder you have not certed Jameis Winston or Johnny Manziel you don't have to. Maybe you should team up with them and just ruin the whole Hobby. This hobby has gone to crap that's all i have to say. Look your self I dont have time to waste, everyone here knows Steve Sipe and GA is worse now than it ever was. There are bad autographs everywhere on the net but California is known as forgery central, I will say the ones i see the most of are Puig, Brady, Wilson, Koufax, James Jordan,Rodgers, Manning, Bryant, Trout. being offered by ga. As for JSA Puig,Koufax,wilson Tanaka,Jordan. Stay clear of the 2 accounts mentioned all bad stuff. As for all Manziels on ebay that are jsa And Psa I Believe those are real not the Manziels on the accounts listed above those are bad. There was a scandal about Manziel taking money for his autograph. Don't know about winston he has to many variations of his autograph and if he got paid he wouldnt have to steal the crab legs.
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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on June 21, 2014 at 1:36pm

Wow, very informative Eric. So do you think this Emil character certs all genres? And yes, we all know whats going on here. Its great that this JSA thing got brought to light, regardless of who exposed it. But the motives behind why it was exposed are as dirty as they come in my opinion. 

I would think a collector, seller, or authenticator would want this exposed for the right reason. That being that it kills the hobby, and makes it extremely hard to trust anyone. Yet, i would be willing to wager that the motive behind "Ricks" posts, is that him or an associate wanted this brought to light, not so it could help the hobby, but so it could be used as an excuse to trash the competition and promote there own services. Now of course "Rick" will never admit to that. But oh well, at least it now has been brought to light i suppose. I guess the autograph world is just as cut throat as any other. Sad but true.

Anyway, thanks Eric

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on June 21, 2014 at 2:00pm
A ton of solid info. Well done.

Only thing I'm not sure of is Bob Gryder being gone a few years. He was creating using GA name less than 2 years ago. Unless he was doing that without authorization. I do know he was doing quick opinions by direct email on the side while at GA and collecting money on it.
Permalink Reply by Chris Hanson on June 21, 2014 at 3:20pm

I own several retail stores in Nevada, from my point of view Global and Spence are pretty much the same - both are very questionable. I had been dealing mostly PSA/DNA items in my shops but even they have fallen from grace over the past few years. I've begun using my own cert because of the mass authentications PSA has continued todo for the forgers around the country. I've had to close down a location based on the fact that PSA is certing hundreds of Hollywood Autographs for a dealer in Arizona who is dumping the stuff at prices that no one can compete with, the items are not real, there is no way they could be real at those prices. I try to stick to the old saying when I purchase items for my shops, "if its too good to be true, it probably is fake". I agree with the guy above ^^^^ the majority of fake stuff that people attempt to sale to our shops comes from: Florida, Ohio, Texas, Arizona, New York/New Jersey, Conneticuit, North Carolina, and California. 

Permalink Reply by Chris Hanson on June 21, 2014 at 3:24pm

Kyle Bell is that dealer in Arizona I mentioned above ^^^^. He has an endless supply of Hollywood items, it's unreal.

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on June 21, 2014 at 4:18pm
Pays to be pals with PSA authenticators. Is bet they never reject an item from PPC.
Permalink Reply by Steve on June 21, 2014 at 6:15pm
I have been telling you guys about Kyle Bell/PressPass for a few years and I usually get an argument about it. He is now having PSA come in to do onsite authenticating. An in with both JSA and PSA, I'm sure everything he has makes it through.
Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on June 21, 2014 at 9:47pm
You have. I've known about him for years to. I know a couple folks that used to collect with him. I wouldn't buy anything from that guy.
Permalink Reply by JXE on July 10, 2014 at 4:25pm

The worse part about the content of this thread to me is that JSA had Roger at their disposal. All they had to do was send him a few screenshots and he would have told them to stay away. So either they couldn't be bothered to use the resource they had available to them, or they held back on showing him because they knew what he'd say.

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on July 10, 2014 at 7:21pm
They were not going to let anyone stand in the way of their big accounts....NO CHANCE. JSA been authenticating bad music and entertainment items from day 1.
Permalink Reply by John Kimball on July 10, 2014 at 4:53pm
Please let us know the story behind press pass collectibles.

Any idea how PPC gets all those dozens of MJ's seems fishy and all passed by Psa?
Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on July 10, 2014 at 6:07pm

Ive been asking this. They have thousands of autos for sale,many stars many Psa. Jsa and Psa never speak on these things and I dont have much faith in any of these "authentication" companies.

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