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Permalink Reply by bernie chatzky on April 12, 2015 at 2:08pm

Hello Robert, yes they look ok, nothing out of this world, just average drawings, I said it before, he IS THE UNDISPUTED KING OF POP, A TOTAL MUSICAL GENIUS BUT THAT'S ALL> why argue about his greatness in painting when that only takes chunks of his legacy?

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Permalink Reply by Robert Chase on April 12, 2015 at 5:48pm

Hello Bernie,

 Yes! we might be arguing a little to much and we dont want to take anything away. We all have different opinions, not just on art but movies, actors, music, politics and so on. I think the most important thing here is to determine his art style, his signature and weed out the bad so that people dont end up paying a fortune for non authentic crap. 

  I think they are doing this.

It will help his legacy

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on April 14, 2015 at 1:44pm

Another 'MJ' drawing for sale, this one unsigned, and described by seller ygor459  of Belleville NJ (where MR Thomas lived) thus:

'Pencil on drawing paper sketch of a man drawn by Michael Jackson. The drawing displays an understanding of proportion, shading and texture unique to an unschooled artist. 7 by 8 1/2 inches. This sketch was given to Michael R. Thomas who was Jackson's make-up artist while Jackson was filming The Wiz in 1978. Jackson and Thomas are shown together in a photo.'

'This' (ie the original) drawing was alluded to in an article by MR Thomas who said:

'When I played the (drawing) game with Michael, I tried to trick him by drawing a few curvy lines that I felt did not suggest a cat. As far as I was concerned, these curvy lines looked nothing like a cat. So I said, “Go ahead, make a cat out of these lines!” And within 30 seconds he had drawn a cat. Not as I would have pictured one, standing on all fours, but a pussycat curled up asleep.

Then he made a couple new drawings on the spot, and I kept them with his blessing. One of the drawings was of a man’s face. It’s pretty sketchy and kind of impressionistic, but there are a couple of eerie similarities between the drawing he made and his own face, later on, after he had so much plastic surgery done'.

quoted here:

https://makeupmag.com/a-tale-of-two-michaels-2/

The obituary for Mr MR Thomas, who sadly died shortly after Michael is here:

https://makeupmag.com/tv-and-movie-make-up-veteran-michael-thomas-d...

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on April 15, 2015 at 1:46am

Another signed Mickey from sports2you2011, priced at 1105 Australian dollars BIN. (I'll include in the sports2you MJ sigs thread also)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHAEL-JACKSON-MICKEY-MOUSE-DRAWING-SIGNED...

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Permalink Reply by bernie chatzky on April 15, 2015 at 2:04pm

That's an easy one, even I can spot it being so fake.

What happens is this seller has a great feedback, and ebay won't touch him/her.

I called once and I was told blatantly that new ebay sellers can't sell dubious items like fakes because NOBODY BEING NEW CAN, I was told once you achieve a good feedback record you won't be bothered, and finally she said (ebay employee) in the meantime you will have to sell generic junk.

Ebay know about all this crap but they will look the other way.

Don't just blame ebay and the forgers, about the buyers? some buy stuff out of impulse and most of the time because they see an autograph for $20.00 and they get it hoping it's a deal?

In my opinion I ask myself what's the need to have an autograph? can we spend the money we earn like in something we can use and enjoy?

Thanks lizzie

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Permalink Reply by wascher on April 15, 2015 at 3:07pm

The three drawings Mr. Thomas had that were sold by Mrs Thomas are these 3.  The first one is shown in that article you linked to Lizzy.  And all three are shown here on Juliens:

http://www.juliensauctions.com/auctions/2009/music-icons/michael-ja...

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on April 16, 2015 at 8:44am

A pillow from avatar1000marinella, who has previously offered both black pen and red pen 'Mickey' drawings.   This pillow (offered at euro 1499) has a label from the Hotel Adlon Kempinski in Berlin, where Michael was filmed at the window with Blanket.  The ebay ( Italy) description mentions a  COA with hologram,  but this is not shown in the ebay listing.  

I have added the  previous 'red Mickey' drawing from this seller for comparison of signatures

http://www.ebay.it/itm/MICHAEL-JACKSON-SIGNED-COA-/261842034720?pt=...

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on April 16, 2015 at 8:54am

These two recent signatures look very similar to me..... (one from Australia, the other from Italy).

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on April 16, 2015 at 3:59pm

Another two drawings offered in the UK that I missed...a red ink drawing offered on UK gumtree in Feb 15 and a black ink drawing offered on UK gumtree in March 2015.

(Link is via another portal to gumtree)

http://www.dealry.co.uk/src/michael+jackson+signed+autograph

These two bear some similarities to the larger photo of a drawing from Julien's Icons and Idols 2013, which was offered at  around $800 but unsold.

Permalink Reply by Hugh Costra on April 21, 2015 at 7:57am

Hi, do you think this one is real ?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICHAEL-JACKSON-MADE-SIGNED-PETER-PAN-DRAWI...

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Permalink Reply by wascher on April 21, 2015 at 8:27am

no

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on April 21, 2015 at 10:03am

Hi, This Peter pan is visually similar to a series of other 'Pan's sold over the last couple of years.  They were first discussed in this related thread (Erick Lucas, page 8, see link below) where wascher noted that the images appeared to be tracings:

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/lot-of-michael-jacks...

The others which seem to be in the same series have been variously sold at auction eg by Premiere props, and Knaisz,.  Here are some images:

(I don't personally see any evidence that these are genuine MJs)

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