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Non-Musician Signed Books and Merch

Let's reserve this thread for any non-musician signed books and other items, at least until a dedicated forum exits for those posts.

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on January 29, 2023 at 8:45pm

Since many people on here believe 3rd party authenticators more than people on here with over 30 years experience, here is this..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115688992077?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkri...

Permalink Reply by Joel S on January 29, 2023 at 9:03pm

I'm not saying it is or isn't real but it does seem odd that he added a photo of the Backside of the signature. almost like he's trying to make sure you see the dots in case you question it even though it has the JSA authentication. I rarely ever buy anything off of eBay but I don't recall ever seeing the backside of the page posted like that and thought the only reason you really check it was for the telltale dots. I also have never had anything authenticated but from what I've read on here they are pretty worthless.

Permalink Reply by Jason H on January 29, 2023 at 9:22pm

Ive seen signed books posted like this a few times on ebay. Its not common but people do it occasionally to prove its live ink and not a print. I wouldnt say proof against autopens necessarily every time, but it does help. Overall, its great for people to question authenticity. We should always keep our guards up and figure things out as a group. However, for this book in particular, I still do not see any signs of autopen use and feel people are jumping the gun on claims with certainty too soon.

Permalink Reply by 5816nick on January 30, 2023 at 8:05am

This is collectorfirst reply to me on ebay.com earlier today when i told him the consensus on here is that his book is autopenned!

Wrong. I have multiple. They are different. And if you look at the listing I do show the back of the signed page, and the pressure is clearly inconsistent. Not like an autopen. And no end dots.

Permalink Reply by Jason H on January 30, 2023 at 1:53pm

I really do not see anything other than speed and direction changes that are a normal occurrence when signing thin paper with a sharpie. If this was autopen (unless technology changed in a hurry) there would be dots where the pen pushes down initially and again once it lifts. This has always been the case and should be no different with these signatures. Its not always noticeable on thicker pages from the back, but in cases like this, where the page is so thin, it should be an apparent feature yet they don't exist

There are also thickness changes throughout the signature, even if only subtle. Im still confident these are not autopenned. Overall, It really is great that people are researching every detail on a bigger scale. After what we've all been through lately with autopens, everything should be questioned. Its also nice that you are getting a response from this ebay user, but I wouldnt believe anything a reseller says since they are just opportunists. I wouldnt expect any of them to be particularly knowledgeable.

Permalink Reply by MN on January 31, 2023 at 1:52pm

What dots are you talking about? I see dots but not convinced those are evidence autopen.

Can you please explain how 7'ish dots represent autopen and not just Sharpie pausing/changing direction on thin paper.

Permalink Reply by NeilL on January 30, 2023 at 8:41am

I emailed Bookabook to cancel telling them there are issues with autopen copies. They received their stock today and sent photos through which look genuine and they're adamant they've been through the entire stock and they're all different / legit. Certainly good enough to receive the book, photograph the signature myself and check carefully. But we will see.

Permalink Reply by rustybuckle on January 28, 2023 at 2:17pm

Unless… plot twist: their autopen technology has gotten better. O___o

Permalink Reply by Knob Dylan on January 28, 2023 at 2:31pm

This must be the "Bob Dylan Version 3.0 Super Autopen" autopen. I see dots on the image of the back page sig, but absolutely zero dots where Addison said "clearly 2 dots at the bottom of the L and on the upper part of the L, also." Oh well, sad, I guess? :(

Permalink Reply by JK on January 28, 2023 at 4:17pm

People should try writing their own name with a Sharpie. I've done it before and knew what to expect, but I did it again just now to see what happens

There will be concentrations of ink, especially where you have to change direction. It's the missing "dots" that are significant.

An autopen leaves dots or concentrations of ink that are not in natural places.

Permalink Reply by Quadropheniac on January 28, 2023 at 4:21pm

Aren't autopens usually shakier? When I zoom in, the strokes look pretty clean.

Permalink Reply by Bob on January 28, 2023 at 11:26pm

No, you're right i do see dots

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