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Permalink Reply by John Maurer on March 28, 2024 at 5:47am

Here's Orson. Daniel Cohen told me that this was probably signed around 1941 when the movie was getting made. The guy he bought it from had owned it since the early 1940s. So it's a very early signed still of Citizen Kane. Orson would have been 25 or 26 years old when he signed it if the story's true.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 28, 2024 at 6:25am

Those are very obvious forgeries in that catalog. This is my Orson. No papers. I do not buy, sell or recommend certified/stickered items and prefer to buy my collection raw and do the research myself.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 28, 2024 at 8:33am

Here is your signature followed by 10 Orson Welles contracts/documents with 11 signatures from 1945, 1946 and 1947. What do you think?

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Permalink Reply by John Maurer on March 28, 2024 at 10:13am

I was a great admirer of Daniel Cohn and since I'm not an expert I cannot say with certainty which is why I depend on Authentication companies. I think there's no agreement between us collectors, the registered dealers, the PSA, the JSA and Beckett. I think I picked a crazy Hobby where authentic autographs are deemed not authentic more often than not.

But I'd like to get back to my point. See here. They authenticated Emma Watson. Someone did. It's just really confusing why she didn't come back encapsulated as the website indicates she was.

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Permalink Reply by John Maurer on March 28, 2024 at 5:36am

That makes me sad. I bought Orson in 2000 from Daniel Cohen. He died in 2019 but he was a widely respected Canadian autograph collector who wrote a book called "The Official Price Guide to Autographs and Memorabilia." I've already had the Orson authenticated by the JSA. I paid $1,000 for it back in 2000. I swear Beckett has lost its mind if it can't authenticate a genuine Orson Welles. I gave them the certificate of authenticity as well as the catalog from 2000 that I bought it out of. I can't find anybody on the internet that says anything bad about Daniel Cohen. He had some of the highest standards as an autograph collector that's why I felt comfortable buying from him. 

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Permalink Reply by JK on March 28, 2024 at 6:02am

Am I missing something?  Did the Welles fail authentication?

In any case, you wrote this comment that makes me scratch my head:

"I swear Beckett has lost its mind if it can't authenticate a genuine Orson Welles. I gave them the certificate of authenticity as well as the catalog from 2000 that I bought it out of. I can't find anybody on the internet that says anything bad about Daniel Cohen."

Why are you sending COAs and other documentation to Beckett?  Those things might help assure you of an item's authenticity, but every item should and must stand on its own during the authentication process. Beckett should not be expected to rely on outside influence to sway their opinion. 

And just because the seller was a trusted dealer/collector does not mean that everything they owned was automatically authentic.

BTW, if you already trust the source and also had JSA authenticate it, why also send it to Beckett? I just hope that poor photo isn't getting a sticker each time.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 28, 2024 at 8:55am

Didn't have to look far. There is a thread here about Daniel Cohen right here. Always use the Search Engine here - you never know. He is said to once have had a reputation but his items posted here and sent for authentication were apparently called "trash" by JSA. There are some images in the thread which I link to below:

Link to Daniel Cohen thread.

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Permalink Reply by JK on March 28, 2024 at 8:56am

Not to pile on, but in regard to your comment:

"I can't find anybody on the internet that says anything bad about Daniel Cohen. He had some of the highest standards as an autograph collector that's why I felt comfortable buying from him."

He might have been very honest and sincere, but that doesn't mean he was always right in his authentication.  If you do a simple search here on this website you will find several examples of autographs he sold that did not earn the approval of experienced members. 

EDIT:  posted before I saw EKL's similar post.

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Permalink Reply by John Maurer on March 28, 2024 at 10:37am

I take your meaning JK. Daniel could have been very well meaning and some bad autographs got in there to his collection, the reason I'm confused as to why Beckett didn't authenticate this photo of Orson Welles is because the JSA had already done it. As I'm trying to point out in regard to Orson, there's no agreement on authenticity. Eric seems to think that all the autographs on the catalog page I produced are fakes. He seems pretty sure, but I don't understand how anybody can be sure when you can't even get the JSA, PSA or Beckett to agree

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 28, 2024 at 10:47am

This is not Dean, Taylor or Burton...

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 28, 2024 at 9:00am

"I swear Beckett has lost its mind if it can't authenticate a genuine Orson Welles."

It is a poor forgery :-(

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Permalink Reply by John Maurer on March 28, 2024 at 10:26am

Do you know for a fact that it's bad? That's exactly what I mean. Did you see Letter of Authenticity from JSA that I posted? They seem to think that that Orson Welles is very real and you don't. That's my point, none agree. I'd like to hear from other members as to whether or not it is a real Orson Welles?

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