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Permalink Reply by Macca Fan on January 8, 2020 at 6:16pm

I owned this at one time and I never thought

to have it touched up or restored 

I liked it just the way it was in its original form 

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Permalink Reply by Bruce Juice on January 8, 2020 at 9:37am

In my opinion the only way to "restore" this is for someone to re-ink or trace over the signatures which would make the piece worth LESS as now you would not be able to see the originals (faded as they are). This is alot different than cleaning up edges or tears as I would never want something where the original signatures have been tampered with. 

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Permalink Reply by fab432 on January 8, 2020 at 10:08am

A very polarized topic. I see it as not tampered with but restored!!! It’s just ink!!! Once it has faded to the point of the Paul and Ringo signatures it is worthless unsaleable if that was the plan.  Having said that restoration of felt tip signatures is much more problematic than ball point ink.  I’ve had two full sets where the felt tip signatures went from black to a rust color and I ended up selling them prior to total disappearance. Felt tip and sunshine just don’t go well together.  

Suffice to say that restored signatures won’t be for everyone but if you can get your head around it then you might get a nice set for a very reasonable price.

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Permalink Reply by Daniel S. on January 8, 2020 at 10:47am

I agree, fab.  You also need to realize that the reason you got it for “a very reasonable price” is because a significant portion of the market is not interested (as evidenced here).  If your comfortable with that, it is ultimately your choice.

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Permalink Reply by James on January 8, 2020 at 7:18pm

+1. I’ve always been led to believe that if you trace over a faded autograph, you have tampered with and/or altered the original thus leaving it virtually worthless.

Personally, that is how I continue to view it.  By “restoring” the autograph, you are altering it, thus rendering it uncollectible.  

If all we had to do to was trace over a faded autograph to restore its value, then concern over having autographs fade would be completely unnecessary because then at some future point, all we need to do is trace over it, and it’s all good.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on January 8, 2020 at 11:46am

While I'm fine with restoring autographs in some cases, depending on how it's done and later represented, the more I look at this the less I'd want to. If I had it I'd frame it with a photo, sheet music, or other ephemera of John and George. It's one of the boldest Lennons I can recall.

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on January 8, 2020 at 12:01pm

Here's an interesting one. Ink was added to the George and Ringo signatures where they were damaged by the fold. Mal Evans had signed for Paul, and the image and signature were restored where his signature intersected with Ringo's. Mal's Paul signature was replaced with an authentic one from another Fan Club card.

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Permalink Reply by Adam Halloran on January 8, 2020 at 12:21pm

I definetly have a bigger issue with that. 

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Permalink Reply by fab432 on January 8, 2020 at 12:37pm

Me too !!! That’s an alternate fact!!!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on January 8, 2020 at 12:44pm

Julien's auctioned a band-signed Beatles photo years ago that the buyer sent to Frank Caiazzo. Frank recognized one of the autographs from a single-signed photo.

Turns out it was a Frankenphoto: 3 signed photos combined into one. I doubt Julien's knew that. The buyer didn't pay for it, and I heard that he was banned after that.

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Permalink Reply by James on January 8, 2020 at 4:01pm

That’s just messed up.  To me it’s alarming as a collector because just as people lose and misplace COAs, they will lose and misplace notifications of restoration, and these altered items will circulate as original condition pieces.  Not to mention, some people will purposely “misplace” this information.

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