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Beatles-Signed Abbey Road Albums: What's Real? What's Fake?

Sometimes you just have enough. Brian Waring, a collector from Colorado, was one such fellow. He tried to sell a Beatles-signed Abbey Road and a Stones-signed Sticky Fingers album on eBay, but his listings were kicked-off because they thought they were forgeries. He was sure eBay was wrong—he paid tens of thousands of dollars for them from American Royal Arts, who claimed to be the world's largest seller of signed rock and roll. James Spence Authentication was at a local show, so he asked them to authenticate the albums to prove to eBay they were genuine.

When Brian came back to pick up his albums with JSA COAs, JSA sat him down and gave him the bad news—they were sure neither one was real.

Brian was shocked. ARA was a big, respectable-looking company, and the albums came with authentication papers from Christopher Morales, a court-approved forensic document examiner. But soon he realized JSA was right, so he contacted ARA, sure they would honor their guarantee of authenticity.

All he got was the runaround. So Brian told his story on Autograph Magazine Live! a few weeks ago, to warn other collectors, and, he hoped, get ARA president Jerry Gladstone's attention.

Brian got more than the attention of Gladstone and other collectors. He got a call from the FBI. And it wasn't until he started blogging about it that Gladstone seemed to take honoring ARA's guarantee seriously.

Brian took his blog posts down yesterday, because a refund from ARA seems to be forthcoming. He feels like he's done his part. I agree. Autograph is investigating the FBI's communications in the industry further and will report on them soon. But this is a great opportunity to talk about Beatles-signed Abbey Road albums, and a bit about signed Beatles albums in general.

Abbey Road is one of the favorite Beatles albums of all time. And like all Beatles albums besides Please Please Me and With the Beatles, complete band-signed albums are extremely rare: Only two known examples are recognized as genuine by Beatles autograph experts.

Lizzie Bravo got one of them signed. An "Apple Scruff"—one of the storied girls who were the ultimate Beatles fans—Lizzie was a 15 year old Brazilian teenager who moved to London with her family in 1967 and spent every free moment in front of Abbey Road Studios and more to be as close as she could to the boys she loved. "They Came in Through the Bathroom Window" was inspired by one of the Apple Scruffs, who entered Paul's house through an open window to see him.

But Lizzie was invited into Abbie Road Studios at least once. The Beatles needed girl back-up singers while recording "Across the Universe" in 1967. Paul didn't want to wait for professionals, so he went to the Scruffs waiting outside and asked if anyone could sing. Lizzie said yes...and the rest is history.

Cathy Sarver got the other one signed. Cathy was an American girl who hightailed it to London to meet the Beatles once out of high school. Both got them signed only by hanging out, relentlessly, outside Abbey Road Studios. Well, usually outside.

Abbey Road was released in September 1969, but the photos I have of Lizzie and Cathy are earlier.

Two 1967 photos of Lizzie with John Lennon:


Here's Cathy with each of the Beatles in 1968:






Lizzie and Cathy were in England when Abbey Road came out, so they bought the English release of the album. The English version had a slick, lacquered cover that you had to dig into to sign, so the autographs on both of them are rougher than they would be on American release albums, which had cheaper, lightly coated covers.


I don't have Lizzie's entire album, only the signatures:


John Lennon and Paul McCartney's autographs


George Harrison's autograph


Ringo Starr's autograph


Here's Cathy Sarver's Abbey Road album, signed by the entire band:


The stain in the lower left corner by George Harrison's autograph is from Cathy's cat peeing on it.

The Abbey Road albums above are the only ones called genuine by Beatles autograph experts.

But like all Beatles albums, that doesn't stop people from selling Abbey Road albums they claim are signed by the Beatles—experts be damned. Some of the most common ones that are not considered genuine are the ones known as Southern California forgeries, because that's where they appear to originate from. Most are fairly easy for experts to identify by the characteristics of the signatures. And the signature characteristics generally don't change much or at all with the age of the albums, whereas Beatles autographs changed significantly over time. Of course, an album can be signed years later than its release, or one autograph at a time over a decade or more. But when signed albums come out through the same sources, sold by the same dealers, with similar autographs, whether they're 1963 or 1970 releases, you have to ask...what the heck is going on?

One of the more common and easiest to detect characteristics of the ones called Southern California forgeries can be found in John Lennon's autograph. John Lennon didn't start drawing his smiling face caricature until about 1971, but many of the Southern California examples have it, often with the inscription "With love" or "With love from." But if you're not a pro, don't try to authenticate Beatles or any expensive autographs yourself. It's worth the money to have them checked out by a respected music authenticator.

This is the Abbey Road album that Brian Waring bought from American Royal Arts, stereotypical of what's considered to be a Southern California forgery:



These are the seven very similar
Abbey Road albums that we know American Royal Arts offered from 2006 to 2009, all with the classic characteristics of what are thought to be Southern California forgeries. There likely are others we haven't seen:





We've identified the person who purchased this forged Abbey Road album from American Royal Arts. He's currently trying to get a refund on about $80,000 or more in what he has found to be fake memorabilia from ARA. Not just autographs, but posters as well.




The one right above was featured in an ad that American Royal Arts ran in Newsday in 2008, with the headlines:

HISTORIC BEATLES COLLECTION RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC!
Over 40 Years to Assemble—Can be Yours Today!


Here's a close-up of the Abbey Road album featured:


American Royal Arts customers who ask are generally told that ARA's classic rock autographs come from "record industry insiders who wish to remain confidential." If I sold ARA these autographs, I would, too.

But Gladstone fails to tell collectors what he told me two years ago. I confronted him with an image of a Beatles-signed Help lobby card from Forever Legends' Web site that was on page one of his catalog a few months later. He called me to explain that he couldn't get enough autographs from his "industry insiders," so he had to buy from dealers, too. Unfortunately, the three main dealers he bought classic rock autographs from are known as notorious sellers of forgeries:

  • Forever Legends www.foreverlegends.com: Owned by Maria Brockway
  • Heroes and Legends www.heroesandlegends.net: Owned by Myron Ross, who we kicked out as an advertiser in Autograph magazine and was later expelled from the UACC Registered Dealer program for selling forgeries.
  • Autograph Central www.autographcentral.net: Owned by Bryan Slaven, who was also expelled from the UACC for selling forgeries. We kicked them out of the magazine when we realized they were a problem, but unfortunately we didn't know until later that Slavin was booted from the UACC years before.

Gladstone told me over a year later in a three-way phone call last summer with another dealer that he had stopped buying from Forever Legends because he realized I was right—their autographs couldn't be trusted. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that ARA informed and issued refunds to their customers who bought the music and vintage Hollywood autographs that Gladstone bought from Forever Legends. At least the owner of the "Beatles-signed" Help lobby card hadn't been last I heard.

I'd be surprised if any of ARA's autographs came from so-called industry insiders. ARA sold Beatles albums for about $12,000 to $25,000, virtually all US releases that I know of. There are only about a dozen band-signed US label Beatles albums known, and they'd be easy to sell for $80,000 to $100,000 or more. As would many of the 20 or so UK release band-signed Beatles albums from Hard Day's Night on. (Please Please Me and With the Beatles are more common. There are perhaps 50-75 of the former known, and 15-20 of the latter). This doesn't mean that's all the signed Beatles albums that exist. These are all that are known that Beatles experts believe are genuine. While it rarely happens, every now and then a new band-signed Beatles album is discovered, and that's likely to continue well into the future.

It makes you wonder:

  • Why would people sell their autographed albums for such cheap prices to ARA or their suppliers, when with a few calls or emails they could find out what they're worth?
  • Why would the dealers Gladstone admitted he bought from sell them so cheap if they thought they were genuine? They know the market.
  • If Gladstone really thought the albums he offered were genuine, why would he sell them for cents on the dollar and pay expensive overhead, sales and marketing costs when he could put them in auction or sell them to dealers for many times more?
  • And why would he tell people he bought from record industry insiders and only admit to me that he bought from dealers once we called him on it? Why didn't he tell the truth?

If you've bought signed albums from American Royal Arts, or any dealer operating similarly, these are questions I would ask.

They're not alone. Here's a signed Abbey Road album on the Web site of Rock Star Gallery, with the same signing characteristics of all the ones that ARA has:


And here's a "Beatles-signed" Please Please Me album from Rock Star Gallery, which came out in 1963, with the same signature characteristics. It was only a UK release, so I don't know why the signatures look so good, since it came with a lacquered cover like UK Abbey Road albums. Perhaps the cover was treated so the ink would stick better or it's the pens they used:



But these aren't the only two dealers with similar autographs. Here's a White Album currently listed at Rockin Gems for only $4,995. I found more that looked similar on other sites, but they were too small to tell for sure:

There's only one known genuine White Album. It's worth over $100,000 and this isn't it.

Where there's smoke there's fire. Whether you're looking to buy a signed Beatles album or bought one; whether it's an Abbey Road or any other Beatles album; unless you know for a fact the album is genuine, please learn from this and take heed. Make sure what you're considering buying is genuine. Make sure what you own is too. That's what experts are for.

If you'd like input, advice, or you know you've been stung, email me and I'll be happy to help. And no, I don't have any signed Beatles albums for sale. I don't even sell rock and roll.

Update: We just found another Beatles-signed Abbey Road album from ARA with the same characteristics, but no Lennon caricature. That's nine total with Brian's. Here it is:




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Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 2, 2010 at 10:42am
Hey the Morales-authenticated Beatles album on Coroner's Corner is up to $200!!! I think it may set a record for a Morales-COA'd Beatles album at an autograph auction by the time it's done.

Comment by CJCollector on July 3, 2010 at 2:30pm
I cringe every time I look at the monthly garbage being auctioned off by Scott Malack and Lee Trythall of "Roach's Corner." I believe this month they have three Beatles signed items; all horrible forgeries and all of them selling for squat. And over ten Babe Ruth forgeries.
Comment by Lizzie Bravo on July 4, 2010 at 6:22am
greetings from a very sunny rio de janeiro! i went through my old backup cds and look what i found - my abbey road cover! since i can't decide which photo is better, i am posting both. i bought this album on september 25th, 1969. on that same day, ringo signed it for me outside the apple offices. later that day, john signed it outside emi studios. paul signed it on october 8th, outside apple. unfortunately, i don't have an entry on my diary as to when george signed it. i personally asked each one of them to sign it and handed them a pen. i sold it in march 2002 for 20,000.- and found out it was sold to a collector days later for 24,000.- though i can't guarantee that price is correct. i am giving you this info since i know you are compiling facts about signed abbey road albums.

Comment by Lizzie Bravo on July 4, 2010 at 7:06am
now it's my pepper cover: i bought the album on may 25th, 1967. on wednesday, june 7th, ringo, george and john signed it outside emi studios - i was asking them to sign just their first names; on thursday, june 8th paul signed it, again outside emi. being a teenager, i cut up paul's signature and gave it to my friend denise, and george's i gave to my friend regina. that sounds totally crazy nowadays, but we used to cut up everything, photos, magazines, posters, and share with our friends. many years later, they both gave me back the signatures. when i decided to sell the album, a friend helped me make it look better by gluing a portion of the yellow part of a mint condition german pepper album i owned to it, because before that there were just holes, you could see the album inside. as you can see, the person who bought it had it restored - i believe i found the image online. i had no idea something like that could be done! i sold it to a collector in november 2002 for (as far as i can remember) 17,500.-, he later sold it to another collector, i hear for much more money, though i don't know the amount.

Comment by Jim McFiver on July 4, 2010 at 7:21am
Hi Lizzie...these are awesome. Absolutely the best! Thanks for taking the time to post them.
Comment by Lizzie Bravo on July 4, 2010 at 7:33am
the reason paul's signature on abbey road reads "raul" instead of paul, is because a fan accidentally bumped on him while he was signing. you wise collectors and dealers might be asking yourselves "does she regret having sold them?". the answer is definitely no. i was quite happy with the outcome at the time. but... i wish i had known you all then, to get more advice. i did get help from top people like paul and jason at tracks and frank caiazzo. they helped me figure out how much things were worth, and i will always appreciate their kind assistance. i am (still) very naive and believe in what people say. most things i sold i believed i was selling to fans, collectors, but the truth is on most cases people went right ahead and sold the items for more money, using my name, which is a guarantee of authenticity (the only fake autographs we ever heard of in those days were the ones signed by people who worked for them, like mal and neil, but we all got our stuff signed right in front of us, we didn't send anything inside to be signed). there is an instance where the person turned a photo of me and john which i have posted online into what looks like a polaroid (none of us had money to own polaroids at that time, so i have never seen one single polaroid of the boys from the late 60's taken by a fan) and scanned in my signature, to make it look like i signed it - that was scary! i have to say each and every item i sold came with two letters from me, one with the buyer's name and another "to whom it may concern" explaining all i could find out about each piece, like date and place it was signed and even anything different that happened. i wanted people to be able to sell them if they needed/wanted to, or their families after they were no longer with us. what i didn't imagine then is that would happen immediately after i sold them the signatures! was i taken for a ride? on most cases, probably! but what good is it thinking about it now? i'm fine, just a little more aware of what really goes on in this beatle autograph world and ready to assist my friends when they want to sell theirs! before one of you asks me to stop yakking away, i shall leave you to enjoy your sunday, wherever you are - and happy 4th of july to all americans!
Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 4, 2010 at 8:24am
Lizzie,

These are fantastic--thank you! I love this kind of stuff--and the images are fantastic. I think Tom Fontaine ended up with your Pepper. Tracks has Janet Semingway's.
Comment by Thorsten Knublauch on July 4, 2010 at 10:53am
Lizzie - the covers are very nice.
I saw an auction of a different fully signed Pepper from Tracks recently and the reserve wasn`t met at 31.000 USD.
Funny prices.
and yes - it is incredible what they did with the restauration - great.
There is somewhere another Pepper with yellow paged autographs pasted in by a restaurer... I have somewhere the scan.
thorsten
Comment by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 4, 2010 at 11:38am
The one on eBay from Tracks is like yours, Lizzie. Only Ringo signed his full name. But there's lightness and pen skipping to some of the signatures. I heard Tracks also has a Pepper from Janet signed by 3—Harrison is missing. I think they're asking over $30,000 for it.
Comment by Lizzie Bravo on July 15, 2010 at 12:34pm
hi everyone! i just found out there's another abbey road cover signed by the four beatles. it belongs to a friend of mine and they all signed to her name. just thought you'd like this for your research.

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