Sone Elton John signed new CD singles not passing 3rd party authentication

FYI, in Real Autograph Collectors Club group on Facebook a person posted that Beckett and PSA are saying the Elton John signed CD single art card from the UK is not authentic. There is debate on how many he signed, may have been signed by others or used autopen.

Here is link to the discussion over there https://www.facebook.com/groups/955090951189857?multi_permalinks=47...

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Permalink Reply by ShadyBootlegger on October 14, 2021 at 9:41am

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Permalink Reply by ShadyBootlegger on October 14, 2021 at 9:50am

Now the doubt is there mate

has anyone on this group had a full auto from the store ?

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Permalink Reply by Dav12 on October 14, 2021 at 9:56am

I had a full auto - see attached!

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Permalink Reply by Kate on October 14, 2021 at 9:56am

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Permalink Reply by Brandon on October 14, 2021 at 10:06am

Where is this picture from?

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Permalink Reply by Kate on October 14, 2021 at 10:09am

These are my two copies.

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Permalink Reply by M. on October 14, 2021 at 9:59am

KD, where did you see that they sold unsigned copies of the single (not counting the accidental unsigned artcards)? Also, if they did sell unsigned copies first, wouldnt they have excluded the artcard?

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on October 14, 2021 at 10:09am

Here's the Twitter picture for reference.. its hard to tell still

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Permalink Reply by Rich on October 14, 2021 at 10:02am

First of all, I wouldn't put all that much weight on what one of these TPAs says one way or another. They've passed presale items that were fake and failed presale items that were authentic before.

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Permalink Reply by Mikex on October 14, 2021 at 10:18am

I wouldn't trust Beckett's option.

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Permalink Reply by mcnish on October 14, 2021 at 10:28am

I don't trust any of them. The only thing that I ever sent to PSA was something that I got autographed myself in person, so I knew it was real, and they said that it wasn't. Only bothered with the service as i thought i may sell it down the road (which i rarely ever do). So I wasted money and now have zero trust for any of them. I'll stick with the educated guess that these Elton's are real unless i see some obvious terrible examples or signs of autopen.

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Permalink Reply by PFCollector on October 14, 2021 at 11:04am

I had the same thing happen with something I got in person and had pics of me with that person holding the item. So no way anyone could say it was fake... but they did. I had a few of the persons autograph and decided to sell that one... they ended up ruining the sale because they said it was fake. So I don't really trust them either... only problem is today most buyers think a PSA or Beckett sticker makes the item real, whether it is or not.