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Permalink Reply by Darryl Gundersen on March 30, 2022 at 5:45pm

Yes, I believe that was the member. I didn't go back through the thread to confirm, but I am pretty sure he said these were good. If I am mistaken, I apologize.

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Permalink Reply by Brian on March 30, 2022 at 5:52pm

Yes, I submitted the Dua version signed by Elton to Beckett and didn’t get authenticated 

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Permalink Reply by Steve on March 30, 2022 at 6:13pm

There sure looks to be quite a difference on the autograph of my wonderful crazy night CD versus the cold heart art card.

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Permalink Reply by Steve on March 30, 2022 at 6:31pm

I guess I do not know what to think anymore. I just saw an art card on eBay - JSA certifiied for $399.99

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Permalink Reply by Collectorautos on March 30, 2022 at 6:33pm

These authentication companies are very subjective. With card gradings and signature authentication. Too many times I’ve seen resubmission where they change the grade of something or unauthenticate something. Most likely bad graders. 

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Permalink Reply by Steve on March 30, 2022 at 6:38pm

Thanks! good to know. I do not really know a whole lot about these outfits. I have never used any of them. A large portion of my collection is autographs from musicians obtained by me in my presence. Would be interesting to see how many of these autographs they would say are not authentic. Probably quite a bit. In any case, take care :)

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Permalink Reply by Guy on March 31, 2022 at 11:14am

These autographs are totally not the same.

Perhaps we all have been misled by some assistant signing them, not sure at all.

Does any of the cold heart were signed like the crazy night CD?

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Permalink Reply by Collectorautos on March 31, 2022 at 11:22am

Maybe he had many to sign so he rushed to sign them ? Just a guess 

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Permalink Reply by Michael Lee on March 31, 2022 at 11:41am

There's a difference in a slowly signed casual autograph and mass signing to make the charts. They look similar enough to my eye. Theyre not autopen and people who know EJ sigs way better than me and more than I could hope to have said they are legit. We bought them from the source. Short of video proof of somebody else signing for him, I think way too much is being made of what looks like a rushed signature.

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Permalink Reply by DannyGraceland on March 31, 2022 at 11:39am

Someone over on the "Elton John Autographs" section had a document with like 5-10 variations of in person Elton signatures and the E style on the art cards is something he's done, despite most having the little curvy structure. People with a lot more knowledge than me believe they are real.

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Permalink Reply by Dan Morris on March 31, 2022 at 2:34pm

I thought they were real when they first appeared and nothing has changed my mind. Authenticators issue an opinion just like you or I and sign 1,000 things in a row and then go back and see how your signature changes and you'll see something rushed and similar

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Permalink Reply by Collectorautos on March 31, 2022 at 2:38pm

And they are super limited. It’s not like he signed 10,000 of them 

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