Authenticity is Everything
Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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****WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION****
“Signed” copies of Liza Minelli’s new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, actually include autopen signatures.
Multiple signatures appear to share identical geometry in specific segments when overlaid.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures:
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath.
That signature matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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The signatures in these books appear to have been produced by an advanced autopen system capable of introducing subtle variations in letter structure and placement, likely intended to disguise the mechanical origin.
Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Knob Dylan
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I usually try to bring levity to the situation JJ but this one is showing these dirt bags are trying to take ALL the money they can, any way possible. The Zimmerman fiasco was extremely bad but if they're doing this with Liza (not a knock on Liza), this will be their new model moving forward. "We autopen whoever and at every turn, and you give us your hard earned money for it. No questions asked."
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Permalink Reply by JIMMY JAMES
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1,000% correct Knob Dylan
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin
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If there is one, I bet the retailers will join it. It's not just the cost of the book. It's the emotional distress. When a Liza fan who bought the signed book thinks of Liza, a fake signature will come to mind too.
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You're talking about full blown RDS caused PTSD Steve. I never considered the emotional impact and potential loss of enjoyment of life. I better join in the lawsuit just for participating in this thread. Now I'm scared it may be too late for me. Save yourself, while there's still time...
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Hi All , Thank you all for your expertise and experience with this and it certainly has been educational for me and nobody likes to get ripped off through false and misleading autopen signatures . Has anyone attempted to contact Liza's publisher or her personal team in regards to this ? judging by the photo in the wheelchair and her age as others have stated there is no way she could physically hand sign all these and with a nice signature . To be continued I am sure of it Thanks
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I wonder what JSA's assessment will be with the Premiere's signed copies of the book sold with JSA CoA. Has anybody received one of them ? (I ordered one but no news so far...)
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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That’s a good question Hervé, we’ve seen a few Premiere book plates show up, but I don’t think we’ve confirmed any yard. The JSA authenticated. Keep us posted when you get yours.
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This article may have already been posted, I apologize as so. I was just reading it online.It’s not about the autopen, but addresses last night’s event. Maybe they will pick up the autopen story…they seem to be tracking/suggesting that something is not right with the situation, including the audiobook.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/liza-minnelli-b...
*I am not on social media, but looks like the author has a website. I just sent him a message on there, linking to here.
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Permalink Reply by Jason H
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Matt, I'm still on trying to get media attention. Nothing yet but I did get this reply on one of my Facebook comments I've been spreading around
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Interesting, thanks Jason. That’s great you’re getting responses like that.So it looks like they were handing out “signed” bookplates, with what he suggests is a printed signature?
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I don't know. We need more examples. If so, it's possible they are fully aware about the autopen backlash and swapped them out for normal books along with whatever this is. That's a lot of book swapping though. Maybe this was actually the plan all along, but It's not something anyone would expect from these
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