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You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).

Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.

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WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION

“Signed” copies of Liza Minelli’s new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, actually include autopen signatures. 

Multiple signatures appear to share identical geometry in specific segments when overlaid.

Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures:

You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...

Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation. 

Overlay Video 1 ▶️

Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)

Overlay Video 2 ▶️

-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly

-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well 

-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.

Overlay Video 3 ▶️

Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one

-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well

Overlay Video 4 ▶️

Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance. 

Overlay Video 5 ▶️

Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person

Overlay Video 6 ▶️

Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift

Overlay Video 7 ▶️

Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps

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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.

Example: 

First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”: 

Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line: 

Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line: 

Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma): 

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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath.

That signature matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s: 

What’s concerning is that the signature pattern in the autographed books seems very close to that same example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:

Book cover Overlay ▶️

(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)

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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works: 

https://youtu.be/pROf6q-9POU

A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...