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ANOTHER Obama...

Here is yet another Obama that I am looking at... :)

Would love to hear opinions

thanks

Mark

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on January 4, 2013 at 8:52am

Research. It won't be super easy, but it's doable IMO.

I'd start with the signed White House note that was on Bill's site. I think that would qualify as a verified exemplar.

Check the big auction house archives for similar signed notes, letters, documents, photos with long personalizations, etc.

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on January 4, 2013 at 8:56am

Here is Obama signing on September 13, 2011 - you can pause it and see some characteristics to his signature..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgJr9eb_8hs

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on January 4, 2013 at 8:57am

This is an example of his Classic O and B.. signed in 2011

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on January 4, 2013 at 10:57am

Mr Zipper,

We need those, but we especially need ones signed in public.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on January 4, 2013 at 11:05am

I agree those are valuable exemplars, but they should be verified IMO... And that is the trick. You can't just take someone's word for it or use TPA certed examples as verified.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on January 4, 2013 at 11:50am

You don't take one person's word for it and you look for as much verification as possible. You need stone unquestionably genuine ones, plus a population you get from sources with no interest in selling them who get them in public.

I wouldn't rely on an TPAs for this, because they are generally going to certify what's accepted in the market. From what I'm seeing, the TPAs are certifying ones that are controversial.

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on January 4, 2013 at 10:56am

You found three in that video. And you can look around Facebook for Obama fan pages, ask who got autographs at events and get images. What you want are people who generally just got one, ask their story, find out when it was signed, if it was signed in front of them, etc., and hopefully some had a person with them to vouch.

Some will be better documented than others, but the sheer number you come up with will help figure things out. Plus we may be able to figure out if any were Autopen or secretarials.

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Permalink Reply by Ryan on January 1, 2013 at 3:48pm

Looks to be real compared to the JSA PSA one

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Permalink Reply by Bill Panagopulos on January 3, 2013 at 6:06pm

NOW he comes up from the finish of his first name to the top of the "O"? Here's a "legitimate example", based on what I see here:

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on January 4, 2013 at 8:31am

NOW he comes up from the finish of his first name to the top of the "O"?

Speaking from a general autograph perspective (not necessarily Obama specifically), I've seen plenty of cases where the first name is "attached" to the last name in rushed exemplars, whereas it's not attached in textbook examples.

Seems an unlikely choice for a forger to make -- executing the name in one continuous line.

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Permalink Reply by Nick Sosnowski on January 4, 2013 at 11:40am

Bill- Why are you using this as an example of an authentic signature? This is a bill signed using many different pens, and features many different start/stop points. This is not an example that should be used for any authentication purposes.

22 pens were used to sign that bill: