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Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on June 13, 2015 at 5:38am

Signed to you= idiot criminals.

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on June 14, 2015 at 6:59pm

the fords are all slightly different, fake, but not an autopen

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Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on June 14, 2015 at 7:17pm

Over the course of the past year or two there have been over 100 of these popping up online, there are at least 5 different templates being used, but all the same garbage forgery style.  

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on June 15, 2015 at 3:12am

It's similar to the machine produced sports related Florida fakes. They appear to have a number of slightly different patterns for first and last name and they mix and match them. Once you get a sample size large enough, you see the repeaters.

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on June 15, 2015 at 12:57pm

oh! that could be... but the images you shared have slight differences.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on June 13, 2015 at 5:44am

ebay does not care.  they have the same motive and goal as the scammers.......profit.

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Permalink Reply by CJCollector on June 13, 2015 at 7:02am

+1

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on June 14, 2015 at 7:33pm

Well said Terrier.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on June 13, 2015 at 6:09am

Unfortunately this is nothing new. Machine signed fakes has been going on for years and is growing worse. Unauthorized autopens, plotters... you name it... some criminal is trying it. Be aware that not all sellers using machine signed fakes are as obvious as the examples posted here thus far.

I sometimes wonder if the average collector knew just how pervasive and deep the fraud is... would they run from the hobby screaming?

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Permalink Reply by Bernie on June 16, 2015 at 8:06am

I am not too familiar with auto pens, somewhat familiar with 3D printers so I have some ideas on how they function.

Is it possible to spot "start/stop" points on auto pens, which would not be natural to the signature flow?  If the printer is programmed like a 3D one, it will work it's way on a grid, either left to right, up and down, or vice versa vs continuous flow.  Curious to see if this is a verifiable "screen"

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on June 17, 2015 at 11:04am

Autopens always have dot at the beginning and ends from where they hit straight down on and lift straight off of the item. They are usually shaky somewhat and they work more like a vinyl diecut sticker plotter then a 3D printer.

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